• LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml
    142·
    3 months ago

    Always the same story.

    Still, the damage is done. Some people still believe in the Uighur genocide and that the USA was concerned for Muslims in Xingjiang.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
      37·
      3 months ago

      The scale of the genocide is likely exaggerated but the base evidence checks out.

      Similar to Hamas committing some war crimes on oct7 and the west making up the other 90%.

            • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
              31·
              3 months ago

              When Buayxiam (another Uyghur instructor) tells him about how their goal is also to get rid of religious extremism, she’s met with a very solemn WE CALL THAT BRAINWASHING from Sudsworth.

              What should be done then? If there are Chinese citizens who subscribe to jihadist ideologies, shouldn’t an attempt be made to change their minds? Is that brainwashing?

              Ah yes just a reeducation camp for terrorist jihadis. “Imperialist try not to paint Muslims who they want to suppress as terrorists difficulty level impossible”.

              I’m not sure what the comparison to Guantamo after that is supposed to mean. I’m sure the Uyghur camps are better than Abu Ghraib and Guantanmo but that doesn’t mean much.

              If there was nothing to hide they would have allowed the BBC to visit a facility of their choosing and other human rights organisations to enter and examine the area. Not allowing people to inspect only makes things look more suspicious.

              The article further mentions a journalist confusing the location of a mosque they claimed was destroyed. That might be true in one instance. This FT article is filled to the brim with them though and it doesn’t look faked.

              • carl_marks[use name]@lemmy.ml
                1·
                3 months ago

                Imperialist try not to paint Muslims who they want to suppress as terrorists difficulty level impossible

                I mean you did have terrorist attacks in China. Also the US delisting ETIM as an terrorist organisation tends to encourage that.

                I’m not sure what the comparison to Guantamo after that is supposed to mean.

                At least recite the full question being asked

                What should be done then? If there are Chinese citizens who subscribe to jihadist ideologies, shouldn’t an attempt be made to change their minds? Is that brainwashing?

                Or should they be considered a lost cause and sent to a Guantanamo type location?

                I’m sure the Uyghur camps are better than Abu Ghraib and Guantanmo but that doesn’t mean much.

                Vocational Training Centers where you learn mandarin and less radical interpretations of islam are indeed better approaches than Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

                If there was nothing to hide they would have allowed the BBC to visit a facility of their choosing and other human rights organisations to enter and examine the area. Not allowing people to inspect only makes things look more suspicious.

                Why would they let the BBC that obviously doesnt give a shit about mulims (see reporting on Palestine)? Why would they let western think thank financed NGOs in?

                Most Muslim countries see no wrong doing neither https://www.axios.com/2020/10/08/un-statement-china-uighurs-xinjiang

                This FT article is filled to the brim with them though and it doesn’t look faked An analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018.

                Does the FT article mention that the highest density of mosques is in Xinjiang? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

                2,312 aint that much in China

                • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  Just like those “terrorists” in the middle east that started attacking Americans in Iraq?

                  And Israel also just needs to fight those “Scary Muslamic terrorists”. Nobody is being oppressed here guys! It’s just “getting rid of terrorism”.

                  A Muslim that fights back against their colonialist oppressor. Suddenly the imperial oppressor has to get rid of those “terrorists”.

                  Does the FT article mention that the highest density of mosques is in Xinjiang? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

                  You asked for evidence of the cultural erasure of Islam in China and the FT article provides it in spades. There are also videos of protests against the renovation of said mosques.

                  Vocational Training Centers where you learn mandarin and less radical interpretations of islam are indeed better approaches than Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

                  Where a family fully loses contact with their father for 8+ years because he suddenly “voluntarily signed up for vocational training”.

                  You have to choose between “the CCP is doing cultural Genocide against Muslims and they are all terrorists who need to be culturally assimilated”, or “there is nothing going on”. You can’t do both.

      • carl_marks[use name]@lemmy.ml
        71·
        3 months ago

        Those are vocational training centers and.noone disputes their existence, lib. Also it’s funny you’re sharing the Wikipedia link that used to be called “Uyghur genocide” but had to change title due to lack of evidence

          • carl_marks[use name]@lemmy.ml
            5·
            3 months ago

            CCP doesn’t like minorities, especially Turkic minorities. What they do is mere assimilation and it doesn’t fall far from genocide

            The fact that Xinjiang has one of the worlds highest mosque densities and having arabic description everywhere contradicts your assessment.

            Lack of evidence is a cool term, because it’s total controlled under CCP. They don’t allow foreign media there. Hmm, what could be the reason I wonder.

            Israel has banned aljazeera and other news outlets and organizations critical of them from their territory, yet are not able to hide the genocide on the Palestinians.

            Considering this your assessment is also laughable