A beta of Ubuntu 24.10 'Oracular Oriole' is now available to download – a day later than planned! Developers and non-developers alike can download the
  • friend_of_satan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    283·
    2 months ago

    I used to love trying every new Ubuntu release. Then snap came along. :( After 17 years of Ubuntu (6.04-23.10), with only a few years of centos in the middle, I switched back to Debian. I see this release is still all-in with snap. Lame.

    • flying_gel@lemmy.world
      6·
      2 months ago

      I went from using slackware late 90s early 00 to Mac OSX in early/mid 00. When coming back to Linux late 00 early 10s I was so disappointed in the Linux distros. I tried Ubuntu but was very disappointed in the lack of newer versions of third party software in their repo. Tried Arch for a while and while packages were up to date, every now and then the OS updates would mess something up and I had to start troubleshooting.

      It might be better now, but I eventually gave up and went to FreeBSD about 10 years ago. Stable base and separate up to date third party feels like the best of both worlds. Not sure if any llinux distro offers something like that now. No snap, no flatpack, just a base os and up to third party date packages.

      • PushButton@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 months ago

        I am not here to convince you, but if you happen to look at Linux again, check out Void.

        Arch, but it’s tested (no dis to arch here… Just a fact).

        I don’t know much about BSD, but apparently it’s an hybrid of Linux and BSD. The Void creator is an NetBSD dev.

        Not the best source, but here: https://itsfoss.com/void-linux/

        • flying_gel@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 months ago

          Looks interesting. I do have a Linux machine for work due to software requirements. I will have a look at void.

          • PushButton@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 months ago

            Well, I believe it takes more than a day or 2 to really test a driver.

            “Testing team” or not, by seeing the releases of, for example nvidia, I don’t take their “testing” seriously…

            No wonder so many people are complaining about the stability of arch…BTW… ;)

            Source: Nvidia “verified” drivers

  • penquin@lemm.ee
    122·
    2 months ago

    Someone needs to make a new distro off of Ubuntu and call it “nosnapuntu”/“desnapuntu” or some shit like that where they only remove snaps completely and just keep releasing it.

    • utopiah@lemmy.ml
      17·
      2 months ago

      It’s… Debian?

      Ubuntu is based on Debian which doesn’t have snap by default AFAICT from bookworm/unstable. In fact it’s precisely why I switched back recently. Going from Debian to Ubuntu and now Debian again due to excessive bloatware and “worst” ways to deliver it IMHO.

      • penquin@lemm.ee
        1·
        2 months ago

        Aaah, good old debian. I’ve used it for at least 3 years straight and never had a single issue. It was so stable that it got freaking boring. Lmao. It has a special place in my heart. I remember switching to sid and it was still freaking stable as ever.

  • fireshell@lemmy.mlEnglish
    62·
    2 months ago

    I stopped using Ubuntu after they started to impose snaps everywhere and everywhere without asking me. Well, I don’t need 100500 loop devices, understand, eh. Of course, you can not use it: delete snaps and disable the daemon. But the trend, of course, is disgusting.

  • fireshell@lemmy.mlEnglish
    53·
    2 months ago

    Not loving snaps is a characteristic of someone who knows about the existence of snaps. Ubuntu for those who don’t know what snaps are, but snaps are so lousy that sooner or later you will find out about their existence and want to demolish them

    • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
      1·
      2 months ago

      I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Snap slowdowns have been supposedly fixed, but the only snap that updated their packaging to apply the fix was Mozilla’s Firefox (from what I’ve heard).

      And there is a way to create a custom store other than Canonical’s (but it’s obscure and hidden, so I bet nobody would bother).

      And snaps have better support for cli programs.

      If snaps were as good as flatpaks (which I don’t think they are yet), and they were not made by Canonical (got them some extra bad rep), they could have been the dominant packaging platform. The issue is that their reputation precedes them. I don’t think Canonical can ever fix that.

      TLDR: Snaps are not as bad as people make them out to be (anymore). It’s just that their reputation precedes them, and some of the solutions are there but are not in use.

      • Leaflet@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        The most important thing for apps to do for speedups is to use LZO compression and modern runtimes.

        The Firefox snap did some Firefox specific optimizations, especially around its language packs, to speed things up.

  • rotopenguin@infosec.pubEnglish
    1·
    2 months ago

    Lobster was an unbelievably buggy distro. I had no end of sleep and compositor problems, and outright system hangs on it. Minotaur was better, but still give me far too much crap.

    I would rather run a “crack monkeys with a sourceforce account” nightly distro than go through Ubuntu’s idea of a beta again.

  • fireshell@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    2 months ago

    Instead of Redis DBMS, the Valkey 7.2.5 fork is included. No wonder it was thrown out.

  • sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de
    47·
    2 months ago

    Ubuntu tries to be baught from Microsoft. They need one centralized (unfree) way of income to get money out of their customers. This is the reason for snap, their proprietary AppStore.

    Tldr? Leave you fools. Leave!