It is time to dissolve the United States. Once a nation reaches this level of corruption and political dysfunction, it cannot be repaired. Even the nominally liberal party is so utterly corrupted by money that it can no longer keep things from further degrading, let alone actually fix things. We are at our “dissolution of the Soviet Union” moment.
The national government needs to be dissolved in its entirety. Each state needs to be granted full independence. Then individual states can come back together and form whatever new federations or confederations they want.
This nation can no longer be salvaged. It is broken beyond all repair. It’s time we put it out of its misery. The alternative is we limp along as a parody of our former self, like the Roman Empire pretending to still be a Republic.
The United States is already dead. We’re just too afraid to admit it.
Buddy. We are nowhere near where we used to be. We used to call out the soldiers to shoot at striking workers. We used to grow out our hair so we could get paid for voting 3 or 4 times. (Get a shave, get a haircut, lose the mustache and the rest of the hair.) It used to be impossible to convict anyone of killing a black man.
We aren’t anywhere near as bad as things have been in the past.
And the Soviet Union at its collapse wasn’t as bad as the nadirs or tsarist Russia. Just because things were worse 150 years ago doesn’t matter. The problem is the system is now intractably broken and further progress cannot be made.
It’s broken for 4 years at least, sure… But it’s not beyond hope. Did you see share that Luigi guy did the other day? That dude was American, and he’s broken far less laws than our next president.
The President has never been above the law in reality. Nixon thought he was, Reagan got away with shit, but they always had the law to obey or face punishments. Trump doesn’t need to worry about anything other than his health or a 3rd shooter.
What do you propose happens to the nuclear weapons? Or the treasures in the Smithsonian? Or the gold in Fort Knox? Or the federal currency that each of these states economies relies on?
Nominally give each new state a proportional share of the weapons. In reality, the states will quickly come back together into one or a handful of new countries. Nuclear weapons are incredibly expensive to maintain. A newly independent North Dakota will not be able to maintain the weapons that are assigned to it. They’ll quickly trade them as bargaining chips in negotiations with some larger state.
It’s important to consider the alternative to dissolution. We are no longer capable of solving real problems. The currency and economy are already doomed, as we’re not going to be able to put our fiscal house in order before the debt collapses everything.
A major economic upheaval is already locked in, assured by our irreparable political system. Better to just admit it now and dissolve the country peacefully. The alternative is we have a series of bloody and ruinous civil wars as states try to break away one by one from the dying empire.
The problem is that the second the federal government fully collapses and states are left on their own, a majority of them will become captured by megacorporations or China. Red states like Mississippi just fail to function on their own, they would require an entity with seriously sizable funding to subsidize them, and the number of entities that can fit that bill is pretty small. Even if these red states band together…they’re the worst states. 5 of them together doesn’t equal the income brought in by places like California or New York, who would perhaps instead enjoy a large surplus of state funding they could make use of and maintain individuality in the face of a corporate dystopia.
They would still be among the wealthier countries on the planet. Mississippi is wealthier than the UK outside of London. They’ll manage just fine. As far as corporate corruption, well they can be responsible for their own sins.
Ah yes, really focusing on the important shit here. I can see why the US is doing so well.
It is time to dissolve the United States. Once a nation reaches this level of corruption and political dysfunction, it cannot be repaired. Even the nominally liberal party is so utterly corrupted by money that it can no longer keep things from further degrading, let alone actually fix things. We are at our “dissolution of the Soviet Union” moment.
The national government needs to be dissolved in its entirety. Each state needs to be granted full independence. Then individual states can come back together and form whatever new federations or confederations they want.
This nation can no longer be salvaged. It is broken beyond all repair. It’s time we put it out of its misery. The alternative is we limp along as a parody of our former self, like the Roman Empire pretending to still be a Republic.
The United States is already dead. We’re just too afraid to admit it.
Buddy. We are nowhere near where we used to be. We used to call out the soldiers to shoot at striking workers. We used to grow out our hair so we could get paid for voting 3 or 4 times. (Get a shave, get a haircut, lose the mustache and the rest of the hair.) It used to be impossible to convict anyone of killing a black man.
We aren’t anywhere near as bad as things have been in the past.
And the Soviet Union at its collapse wasn’t as bad as the nadirs or tsarist Russia. Just because things were worse 150 years ago doesn’t matter. The problem is the system is now intractably broken and further progress cannot be made.
It’s broken for 4 years at least, sure… But it’s not beyond hope. Did you see share that Luigi guy did the other day? That dude was American, and he’s broken far less laws than our next president.
Our history shows progress can be made because we did it before.
The President has never been above the law in reality. Nixon thought he was, Reagan got away with shit, but they always had the law to obey or face punishments. Trump doesn’t need to worry about anything other than his health or a 3rd shooter.
What do you propose happens to the nuclear weapons? Or the treasures in the Smithsonian? Or the gold in Fort Knox? Or the federal currency that each of these states economies relies on?
The US simply cannot be undone.
Nominally give each new state a proportional share of the weapons. In reality, the states will quickly come back together into one or a handful of new countries. Nuclear weapons are incredibly expensive to maintain. A newly independent North Dakota will not be able to maintain the weapons that are assigned to it. They’ll quickly trade them as bargaining chips in negotiations with some larger state.
It’s important to consider the alternative to dissolution. We are no longer capable of solving real problems. The currency and economy are already doomed, as we’re not going to be able to put our fiscal house in order before the debt collapses everything.
A major economic upheaval is already locked in, assured by our irreparable political system. Better to just admit it now and dissolve the country peacefully. The alternative is we have a series of bloody and ruinous civil wars as states try to break away one by one from the dying empire.
Full stop. If part of your solution is selling nuclear weapons to whoever pays the most to cover your bills your plan is already shit.
That’s literally what happened at the dissolution of the Soviet Union. This has been done before.
Which went really well! No complaints! No weapons went missing at all!
Well, we haven’t had any exploded nukes yet, and any lost have expired by now. So I think it went down pretty well actually.
damn we’re edge posting today
Not saying I disagree, but the premise is untenable.
The problem is that the second the federal government fully collapses and states are left on their own, a majority of them will become captured by megacorporations or China. Red states like Mississippi just fail to function on their own, they would require an entity with seriously sizable funding to subsidize them, and the number of entities that can fit that bill is pretty small. Even if these red states band together…they’re the worst states. 5 of them together doesn’t equal the income brought in by places like California or New York, who would perhaps instead enjoy a large surplus of state funding they could make use of and maintain individuality in the face of a corporate dystopia.
They would still be among the wealthier countries on the planet. Mississippi is wealthier than the UK outside of London. They’ll manage just fine. As far as corporate corruption, well they can be responsible for their own sins.