Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.
…Trump announces he made a peace deal with China
Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It’s not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked
Same goes for US companies.
Have we learned nothing from Snowden?
Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).
China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Edit: For people who think I mean “party” like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
In fascist America, the one-party private enterprise has control over government!
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers
Why is this on a different level? Is it because they’re ASIANS?
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
In the PRC it’s only illegal to talk about it.
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
Did it stop?
The specific program Snowden revealed supposedly ended in 2015, it collected information such as who was calling who and for how long. The 9th Circuit actually ruled it clearly illegal in 2020 and Snowden made a Tweet about it in a relatively good mood.
This is the best news I’ve heard all day! Thanks.
Did you ignore the part where it’s not illegal to talk about?
Yeah, the US is fucked, and there are some decent comparisons to China… But government control and oversight of business isn’t one of them.
In fact, it’s something that’s severely lacking in the US. We have the complete opposite problem.
The long and short of it is even leftie Americans have internalised American exceptionalism, even if they aren’t cognisant of it. And the right are, well… Racist and don’t want to admit it.
There’s no left in the USA, only liberals.
One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.
Yeah the US genocide of black Americans needs the earn them some serious sanctions, but it’s not relevant to this discussion.
Uht oh. Brace yourself for leftists. Prepare to be deemed genocide supporter nazi extraordinaire.
China is a one-party state
I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties…
Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?
When I say “China is a one-party state,” I’m not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.
You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a “one-party state” means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.
You’re right, I’m sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I’ve had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I’m the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I’m kinda scared I’d actually die if I came to visit.
Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.
But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don’t disagree with you, to be clear. I’m just amused about your choice of epithet.
No worries… apologies if I was snippy.
And yeah, the US and China are both insane… Unfortunately for me, as an American, China seems to be the more stable one these days (and it’s only going to get worse starting 1/20).
What’s so hilarious about it?
I’m being slightly disingenuous by focusing on one expression in the entire message, granted.
But honestly, using “one party state” as an epiteth, like that’s what you want to focus on that’s badwrong about China? that’s amusing to me, reading this from Europe. YMMV.
There are several hundred political parties in China currently in office.
Cool. See number 1 on the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
Cool, read how the Chinese government works. There are hundreds of parties within the cpc.
It’s a one party state in the sense you have to agree China needs to progress in order to hold office. Just like traitors can’t hold office in the US.
Did you even read the link? Educate yourself.
I’m very familiar with that bit of misunderstanding you people tend to have, I’m trying to actually educate you on reality, instead of the opinions of the CIA.
Trusting the US government as a blahaj user seems dumb to me, but hey.
Both countries are acting in their own interests. Simple as that.
Imagine if that meant in the people’s best interest.
Yeah, if only in either of those two countries people were seeing measurable improvements in their lives, approved of their government, and had hope for the future…
China probably have more hope for the future than US right now.
It’d be nice, wouldn’t it.
Isn’t every chinese company part of CCP
“all right Tencent, make a game where you play as Tank man defending the innocent at Tiannanmen Square please”
Yes.
I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.
Not to mention I’m pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.
It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.
EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it’s probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.
So all veteran owned businesses in the US are extensions of the US military?
Like thats not a bad idea from an international perspective, there are plenty of folks who maintain connections and may or may not be at minimum an annoyance. Though I also feel like American culture is mercantile and independent enough that such risks are generally minimized, except from so called Christian companies those sons of bitches always have a secondary goal beyond profits.
Given the way things are going, the US will implode long before China does.
If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.
Given the insane tariffs on Chinese goods and the fact that china is still thriving begs to differ.
Discovery process, you say?
Which documents, you say?
What happened?
Shredded, you say?
How badly?
To bits, you say? Oh my my…
Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, “Foreign companies we’re blacklisting for classified reasons”. How terrible.
Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?
The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.
Thus proving that Tencent is either stupid or is insulting our intelligence.
Lol sue the us?
Money vs money, go for it
Come at me bro
Not a Chinese Military company. At least at this moment. If and when Xi decides that they want to use information gathered from Tencent for military purposes, they will. Nobody can or will stop him.
almost as if it’s never been about security but about sinophobia
Lol
I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
Sure, fair stance, but also pure whataboutism.
I was kinda making a similar argument because of “if they were smart”. They are smart. Americans are smart too. But being smart doesn’t trivialize the very complicated problems with overthrowing a dictatorship/oligarchy, because neither government is currently democratic in practice — so voting will not work.
“Whataboutism” is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.
Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.
“Whataboutism” is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.
If you don’t have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.
Sure, but here it’s pretty much about the trade war between the two.
Neither side is just, and so seeing it as “China bad” is not a neutral outlook.
In the US-centric environment, standing up for neutrality is easy to confuse with standing up for China.
I wouldnt want to take a neutral stance here, if the USA is a 53 then China is a 87 on the badometer.
How do we stop the oligarchy ruling the USA without them ruining your life for going first?
Vote in 60 dem senators and they’ll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they’ll tax the rich.
Not really.
Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.
HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.
Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.
Even if the DNC isn’t your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.
They own and rule the dictatorship. It’s a dictatorship of the proletariat, wherein anyone can become a party member and participate. The US has a dictatorship of capital. How’s that working out again having a dozen billionaires writing your laws and controlling the entire executive branch?
No it’s a dictatorship by a small group that the rest of them are not in. It’s a dictatorship that demands the common people surrender all beliefs not sanctioned by the state, that demolishes holy sites, a dictatorship that forces minorities into labor camps. It’s a dictatorship that commits hostile takeovers of neighboring nations and allies itself with multiple other dictatorships.
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China actually vetoed a UN Ceasefire resolution in Gaza in March, so much for peace.
Not to mention Chinese close friends and allies North Korea is constantly firing missiles into the ocean as a method of stick-waving at demilitarized Japan.
Honestly weird that you think Uighur Muslims all need to go to rehab and work long unpaid hours until they die. Not how a normal human with empathy thinks, generally.
The ceasefire resolution that didn’t free hostages held in Israel, enabled the IDF to indefinitely hold Gaza, and removed all self determination from gazans?
Yes, even the Arab nations did not want that resolution, China, during the same sessions, called for an unconditional ceasefire.
Lying about situations makes everything you have to say suspect.
To your second point, you admit the US is committing genocide in Gaza. Right? We’re blaming countries for things their military allies do now, so the US is genocidal, according to you.
To your third point less than 5% of the uighur population has ever been arrested, xinjiangs city council is mostly uighur Muslims, and no american gets to tell anthother country how to handle prisoners, given us prisons are worse than pretty much anywhere according to the UN, and the us arrests more minorities as a percentage of each minority population than China is claimed to have, much less the reality.
I’m sure those gazans are really enjoying all the extra freedoms they’ve had in the last 9 months. /sarcasm
tibetan pedo temples
dafuq did I just read
Have you never learned literally anything about Tibet? Check out the wikipedia sections for pre 1950s Tibet, or simply Google Tibet given the news stories about the dalai lama tonguing a kid on tv.
China operates on the principle of peace. Not constant war.
ROFL!
So peaceful.
Fewer disputes over it’s lifetime than the US in the last four years. Congrats, thanks for proving my point.
I never brought up the US. You’re using them as a deflection from the topic at hand.
All I did was refute your claim that “China operates on the principle of peace. Not constant war.” That claim is easily debunked. Why spread lies?
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This dude just straight up snorts the Kool-Aid powder.
Because I don’t buy us propaganda? Are you okay little buddy?
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Sure, go ahead and try to sue the single most powerful entity on the planet.
Lol they cry like tankies when defederation talks begin.
