I can’t speak for everyone, but many hardware peripherals software for configuration and control don’t work.
For gamers that could be companion software for RGB and mwcro customization on keyboards, controllers and other peripherals too.
For myself, it would be music production software (VSTs and otherwise.) I know about different compatability layer softwares out there, but it’s a band-aid.
I made the switch to Arch and these 2 things have been my struggle.
For my music hardware I have run a windoes VM with virt-manager/qemu with USB passthrough. That sort of works, but it’s an extra thing to fuss with.
I even went down the rabbithole of trying to use usbip to get wine to recognize my hardware, with no success of wine seeing the bound port.
Its not flawless but I’m getting there.
I will not go back to windows. Even if it means changing my habits and use cases.
Yeah, that’s the one thing I lost when switching to Bazzite. I’m on an Acer Predator and I’m stuck with auto fan controls (which work fine) and I can’t customize RGB. There’s options to replace the Predator Sense program to get that working on Linux but I just don’t care enough to mess with it.
I tried, it’s not detecting anything. I get the pop-up about SMBus but I don’t think that’s relevant here? And I found a thread on r/openRGB about my specific laptop but the mods closed the thread before the poster got any help. There’s a Lemmy community but based on the locked thread on Reddit I really get the impression they don’t want to help.
EDIT: It’s possible Acer did something scummy with this laptop, I’ve found some interesting projects reverse-engineering Acer’s crap software to work on Linux and a lot of dead ends and at least one conversation about flashing the bios which no thank you, lol. Also a funny conversation on GitLab “By the way, the link you’ve provided is my Github 😄”. I’ve looked into this before and after about a half hour I decide I don’t care about RGB enough for even the half hour I’d already spent.
I haven’t tried VR in Linux, I did sell my oculus, and haven’t gotten a replacement.
I use Reaper, and it’d fantastic. It’s more so the plugins that are an issue since VSTs aren’t supported too well on Linux. There are peripherals that don’t play well as well, but that’s vendor specific. My Line 6 gear for example.
I am full time on Arch. Ditched Windows 6+ months ago, and i won’t turn back. It has come with issues, but I’ve treated like a learning experience.
I am using an EVGA 3090 FTW on Arch, and if I had known when building my PC that Nvidia has issues, I would have gone the AMD route. But, I have gotten my 3090 usable, quite well actually with some tweaking.
I had issues using Wayland at first, but driver updates have helped.
I have wanted to check out NixOS, but I haven’t yet.
Valve Index, SteamVR, install, setup, play, no tinkering.
Now… if one does want to buy hardware from Meta (… which sadly I understand, it’s so damn cheap) and Meta refuses to support Linux, well, it’s kind of a decision on the buyer. Still, if one still want to tinker, because they have the hardware now, plenty of good solutions listed on https://lvra.gitlab.io/ e.g. ALVR (very convenient nowadays) or WiVRn and more.
The ability to stream media from legit paid sources. (Netflix, Comcast, max, disneyplus, prime, I don’t know where the list is currently, but anything that bitches about user agent.)
TPM.
The ability to play multiplayer games that rely on anti-cheat ( seriously, make Linux a hit with the fortnite crowd and the upcoming generation will think of windows as boomerware )
The ability to use an HDMI cable at full speed. (It’s the leading A/V cable standard and the only one some people understand. )
Then there’s the stuff I’m unsure of the current status of but that I know was a problem once upon a time: Online banking, online doctor stuff, encrypted emails from mainstream providers, you know, anything that could qualify as “every day stuff” that works out of the box on windows and yet sometimes requires complicated (for grandma) setup on Linux.
The ability to stream media from legit paid sources. (Netflix, Comcast, max, disneyplus, prime, I don’t know where the list is currently, but anything that bitches about user agent.)
Agreed, that’s critical. That said, I periodically subscribe to all of those, and all of the ones I’ve tried in the last year on Firefox on Debian, have worked perfectly. If there’s any left that still don’t, I haven’t tried/encountered them.
Agreed, that’s critical. That said, I periodically subscribe to all of those, and all of the ones I’ve tried in the last year on Firefox on Debian, have worked perfectly. If there’s any left that still don’t, I haven’t tried/encountered them.
Yeah. It honestly blew me away. I switched my personal laptop to Linux, as one often does, primarily to revive some old hardware.
I thought I was giving up streaming from it, but it’s been great.
I tend to run my TVs on non-stadard media devices due to privacy bullshit by vendors, and previously that has meant a lot of Android variant devices.
Looking forward, I’m really looking forward to running my living room TV off of a modified SteamDeck or a Linux media server build that is as close as I can get to one, thanks to the surprisingly good media experience of Firefox on Linux, lately.
You raise some great points though. The average user isn’t going to use workarounds or alternatives, so we should focus on actually solving the problem instead of saying use this instead.
These kinds of things are the first things that come to mind when people start going all “Linux is ready for $blah” because while I can figure out how to deal with these issues, they’re invariably the first things I get phone calls from my non-IT-career friends about when they switch to Linux.
Windows changes insane amounts of interface whatnot on the regular, users can usually figure THAT out, finally, no matter what OS they’re using.
It’s the stuff that just works out of the box on windows or Mac but doesn’t on Linux that’s at issue, and it’s what will continue to halt widespread adoption at the casual user level, unfortunately.
The main hiccup for hardware support is GPU support, and as a side effect of the bigger business being in messing with LLMs and that use case preferring Linux, GPUs are getting more Linux attention.
For example, nVidia drivers went years and years with a status quo of “screw open source, compile our driver and deal with the limitations”. Only after they got big in the datacenter did they finally start working towards being fully open in the kernel space (though firmware and user space still closed source, but that’s a bit more managable)
Yeah I mean especially for professionals, most hardware requires special software for it to function properly and they don’t bother making it available for Linux.
especially for professionals, most hardware requires special software for it to function properly and they don’t bother making it available for Linux.
That’s entirely use case specific. CUDA is actually used more on Linux than on Windows (I don’t have data, but even Azure by Microsoft runs on Linux…) so for e.g. NVIDIA hardware for professionals the support is better there.
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I can’t speak for everyone, but many hardware peripherals software for configuration and control don’t work.
For gamers that could be companion software for RGB and mwcro customization on keyboards, controllers and other peripherals too.
For myself, it would be music production software (VSTs and otherwise.) I know about different compatability layer softwares out there, but it’s a band-aid.
I made the switch to Arch and these 2 things have been my struggle.
For my music hardware I have run a windoes VM with virt-manager/qemu with USB passthrough. That sort of works, but it’s an extra thing to fuss with.
I even went down the rabbithole of trying to use usbip to get wine to recognize my hardware, with no success of wine seeing the bound port.
Its not flawless but I’m getting there.
I will not go back to windows. Even if it means changing my habits and use cases.
Yeah, that’s the one thing I lost when switching to Bazzite. I’m on an Acer Predator and I’m stuck with auto fan controls (which work fine) and I can’t customize RGB. There’s options to replace the Predator Sense program to get that working on Linux but I just don’t care enough to mess with it.
For RGB try OpenRGB!
I tried, it’s not detecting anything. I get the pop-up about SMBus but I don’t think that’s relevant here? And I found a thread on r/openRGB about my specific laptop but the mods closed the thread before the poster got any help. There’s a Lemmy community but based on the locked thread on Reddit I really get the impression they don’t want to help.
EDIT: It’s possible Acer did something scummy with this laptop, I’ve found some interesting projects reverse-engineering Acer’s crap software to work on Linux and a lot of dead ends and at least one conversation about flashing the bios which no thank you, lol. Also a funny conversation on GitLab “By the way, the link you’ve provided is my Github 😄”. I’ve looked into this before and after about a half hour I decide I don’t care about RGB enough for even the half hour I’d already spent.
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I haven’t tried VR in Linux, I did sell my oculus, and haven’t gotten a replacement.
I use Reaper, and it’d fantastic. It’s more so the plugins that are an issue since VSTs aren’t supported too well on Linux. There are peripherals that don’t play well as well, but that’s vendor specific. My Line 6 gear for example.
I am full time on Arch. Ditched Windows 6+ months ago, and i won’t turn back. It has come with issues, but I’ve treated like a learning experience.
I am using an EVGA 3090 FTW on Arch, and if I had known when building my PC that Nvidia has issues, I would have gone the AMD route. But, I have gotten my 3090 usable, quite well actually with some tweaking.
I had issues using Wayland at first, but driver updates have helped.
I have wanted to check out NixOS, but I haven’t yet.
Valve Index, SteamVR, install, setup, play, no tinkering.
Now… if one does want to buy hardware from Meta (… which sadly I understand, it’s so damn cheap) and Meta refuses to support Linux, well, it’s kind of a decision on the buyer. Still, if one still want to tinker, because they have the hardware now, plenty of good solutions listed on https://lvra.gitlab.io/ e.g. ALVR (very convenient nowadays) or WiVRn and more.
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I refuse to buy any meta product, let alone use their platforms. If I get back into VR it’ll likely be Valve products
Thank you for the resource!
The ability to stream media from legit paid sources. (Netflix, Comcast, max, disneyplus, prime, I don’t know where the list is currently, but anything that bitches about user agent.)
TPM.
The ability to play multiplayer games that rely on anti-cheat ( seriously, make Linux a hit with the fortnite crowd and the upcoming generation will think of windows as boomerware )
The ability to use an HDMI cable at full speed. (It’s the leading A/V cable standard and the only one some people understand. )
Then there’s the stuff I’m unsure of the current status of but that I know was a problem once upon a time: Online banking, online doctor stuff, encrypted emails from mainstream providers, you know, anything that could qualify as “every day stuff” that works out of the box on windows and yet sometimes requires complicated (for grandma) setup on Linux.
Agreed, that’s critical. That said, I periodically subscribe to all of those, and all of the ones I’ve tried in the last year on Firefox on Debian, have worked perfectly. If there’s any left that still don’t, I haven’t tried/encountered them.
That’s great news and it gives me a lot of hope.
Yeah. It honestly blew me away. I switched my personal laptop to Linux, as one often does, primarily to revive some old hardware.
I thought I was giving up streaming from it, but it’s been great.
I tend to run my TVs on non-stadard media devices due to privacy bullshit by vendors, and previously that has meant a lot of Android variant devices.
Looking forward, I’m really looking forward to running my living room TV off of a modified SteamDeck or a Linux media server build that is as close as I can get to one, thanks to the surprisingly good media experience of Firefox on Linux, lately.
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These kinds of things are the first things that come to mind when people start going all “Linux is ready for $blah” because while I can figure out how to deal with these issues, they’re invariably the first things I get phone calls from my non-IT-career friends about when they switch to Linux.
Windows changes insane amounts of interface whatnot on the regular, users can usually figure THAT out, finally, no matter what OS they’re using.
It’s the stuff that just works out of the box on windows or Mac but doesn’t on Linux that’s at issue, and it’s what will continue to halt widespread adoption at the casual user level, unfortunately.
Office software is covered by LibreOffice.
Just general software and hardware support. And ease of use. So basically everything.
Sadly, LibreOffice isn’t up to the task.
However, more and more this stuff is done in browser anyway.
What does libreoffice not do? And what about onlyoffice?
Basically when I open up an MSOffice file, if there’s anything vaguely complicated it will not look like the way the office user intended.
Being done in the browser means it’s being done in the cloud which I’m personally not okay with. LibreOffice works well enough for my use.
Yeah, but the O365 crowd is pretty much 99% tied to the cloud anyway they slice it (MS really wants you to work exclusively in OneDrive).
LibreOffice may be able to handle it’s own documents fine, but interoperate with an MS Office user and it frequently is unable to be consistent.
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The main hiccup for hardware support is GPU support, and as a side effect of the bigger business being in messing with LLMs and that use case preferring Linux, GPUs are getting more Linux attention.
For example, nVidia drivers went years and years with a status quo of “screw open source, compile our driver and deal with the limitations”. Only after they got big in the datacenter did they finally start working towards being fully open in the kernel space (though firmware and user space still closed source, but that’s a bit more managable)
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Yeah I mean especially for professionals, most hardware requires special software for it to function properly and they don’t bother making it available for Linux.
That’s entirely use case specific. CUDA is actually used more on Linux than on Windows (I don’t have data, but even Azure by Microsoft runs on Linux…) so for e.g. NVIDIA hardware for professionals the support is better there.
It’s not. But I wasn’t referring to GPUs anyway, I was referring to peripherals. Audio equipment, drawing pads, cameras, etc.