• alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    21 days ago

    If you think the people who don’t like seeing American bombs ripping children apart day in and day out were enough to swing the vote, don’t you think the democrats should have listened to us?

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      21 days ago

      You had the choice between bad and worse. not an appealing choice. but everyone knew those who liked the orange monkey would go vote. so not voting, in protest against bad is a vote for worse.

      so yes, the democrats in usa have lost the connection to their base. however, this doesn’t give anyone able to vote, the right to blame them for an elected baboon.

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        21 days ago

        “You were handed a choice by the same system committing genocide, it’s on you to unquestioningly accept that choice and not seek any alternative, thereby guaranteeing all manner of crimes against humanity will continue indefinitely. I think this because I’m incapable of understanding that both parties supporting genocide completely discredits any theory about their political independence.”

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          21 days ago

          You seeked an alternative, turns out the alternative is Trump. Do you feel good about what you have found? Are you capable of admitting to yourself that seeking of alternative would be better if there was a little less unhinged fascism?

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            21 days ago

            This is what some people call “slave talk”. The oppressed chiding each other for the actions of the oppressors, whether or not they’re even responsible (in this case, they categorically are not). You’re doing their work for them, for free.

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              18 days ago

              And instead you allow the worst outcome and then what? Whine on social media, while people are dying as a result of your inaction? Wait for thr glorious revolution to appear out of nowhere that will bring you bag of happiness? Hope a bunch of people die and suffer so the communist emerges?

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                17 days ago

                Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing the more brainwashed slaves said when the masters instituted collective punishment. Thank you for the great example.

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                  15 days ago

                  You might think you are doing big heroic revolution by being obtuse about the situation you’re in, but you actually, demonstrably making it easier for the powers that be to take advantage of you. You are in the system, you either engage with it, or it grinds you down into a fine paste. Childish proclamations is not how you change or escape it, it is how you tell it that you’re up for grabs.

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                    14 days ago

                    I reject their system. You play by their rules, they control you. That simple. A society of people rejecting their system ends their system, a society of people playing by their rules is dominated. You may think you’re being pragmatic, but you’re being manipulated.

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      21 days ago

      I bet you feel better now, when more bombs will bomb more children and you helped this happen.

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        21 days ago

        I did not make genocide unpopular. I did not make ending covid protections, doing fuckall about roe or the SCOTUS, failing to cancel student debt, failing to reschedule cannabis, quadrupling the tariff on chinese solar panels, EVs, and batteries all decrease turnout.

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          18 days ago

          So when presented with a choice between an evil and something that wasn’t all that effective at combating this evil, you decided to chose evil. That one effective evil that was so effective at bringing evil.
          And now you are trying to convince yourself that it wasn’t your fault

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            17 days ago

            You are blaming someone who had absolutely no power to affect the outcome of the election, while absolving the dems, who knowingly decided to do all those policies, knowing they would decrease turnout.

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              16 days ago

              Voters are tbe only people who has power to affect tbe outcome of election, if democracy is happening anyway. Moreover they have an obligation as citizens and part of communities to find the best possible outcome of an election and put their voice towards that. A political party has zero obligations other than to fulfil whatever internal policy they have, and it’s an entity that voters shape by voting and political activistm in general.
              When voters vote for the worst outcome for them, it’s their doing and their fault, and nobody else is to blame.

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                  15 days ago

                  Quppy oneliners aren’t substitutes for engagement. I learned nothing from you because you’re saying nothing

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                    I explained to you why the democrats lose elections. Instead you cover your ears and go “no it’s the voters fault that unpopular policy decreases turnout”. In every future election, when democrats try to be republican-lite, and the base is telling them “this is massively unpopular”, you will continue to try to silence the left and help the democrats maintain the delusion they can win by being republicans.