We all know Signal, Matrix, Telegram, SimpleX, etc… But if you can’t access the internet you can’t communicate. Pretty logic. But would it be possible, at least theoretically, to create an app that permits to message people even if the internet goes down?

It might be a dumb question I really have no idea to be honest.

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    56 minutes ago

    Meshtastic can be encrypted and is LoRa based. Can easily hit nodes dozens of miles away with a good line of sight. It also relays messages across nodes to reach even further distances.

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    Briar (Android Only) - Uses Bluetooth, Wifi, or Internet via Tor to communicate. You can theretically create a large mesh group with enough users. Think of protests where the government shuts down the internet. Downside is, bluetooth range is 10 meters 😓.


    Also: You can send encrypted text over SMS using Secure Space Encryptor (SSE) (known as Paranoia Text Encryption on iOS). It’s an Open Source app that can encrypt text.

    1. Type text
    2. Copy the Ciphertext
    3. Send and tell the recipient to use SSE fo decrypt.

    You both have to share a password/passphrase over a secure channel, then use that to encrypt and decrypt.

    Or PGP (there are mobile apps), but they aren’t quantum resistant. If someone intercept and stores them, it could be decrypted later. So I recomment Symmetric Encryption like AES 256 (so use SSE for better security, since they use AES 256)


    You can also encrypt a radio:

    Rattlegram is an app on iOS/Android that alllows converting text to audio and play it over your phone’s speaker.

    As mentioned before, SSE.

    1. Use SSE to encrypt text
    2. Copy-Paste the Ciphertext to Rattlegram
    3. Sent it over the radio
    4. On the other end, use Raddlegram to turn the audio back to the ciphertext
    5. Use SSE to decrypt.

    Voila! Off-Grid Encrypted communications.

    Warning: Encryption over Ham Radio bands is illegal in many countries 😉 (but fuck the law lol, who cares)

    There’s also Meshtastic, but it has much shorter range, but, in the USA at least, they aren’t “Ham Radio” so they (supposedly) can be encrypted legally.

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    5 hours ago

    scratch telegram off that list, but Session messenger there instead.

    Telegram isn’t private, one guy has the master key to the whole thing

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    Besides the already mentioned Briar, there’s Berty, can’t speak to its quality since I never used it, but I always found the project neat in and of itself

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      5 hours ago

      wouldn’t a cheap walkie-talkie be more practical in that situation?

      That’s not secure or encrypted

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        You can encrypt a radio.

        Rattlegram is an app on iOS/Android that alllows converting text to audio and play it over your phone’s speaker

        Secure Space Encryptor (SSE) (known as Paranoia Text Encryption on iOS) is an Open Source app that can encrypt text.

        1. Use SSE to encrypt text
        2. Copy-Paste the Ciphertext to Rattlegram
        3. Sent it over the radio
        4. On the other end, use Raddlegram to turn the audio back to the ciphertext
        5. Use SSE to decrypt.

        Voila! Off-Grid Encrypted communications.

        Warning: Encryption over radio is illegal in many countries 😉 (but fuck the law lol, who cares)

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    9 hours ago

    yes, a lot of people were using those kinds of apps during the free hong kong protests, they go from device-to-device with no internet in between.

    No idea what the app is called, but apps like those exist

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    10 hours ago

    There used to be one years ago that used WiFi radios or Bluetooth or whatever so you could chat to people near you… I totally forget what it was called though.