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Will QT 7 Do the same?
I’m using a 49" monitor and dividing it up in virtual X11 monitors/screens for flexibility. Running a tiling window manager with lots of virtual desktops, but with fullscreen support separate monitors are still needed. Wayland are still missing the support for dividing up the display, which is probably the last thing keeping me on X11.
The lack of proper tablet support in wayland prevents me from being excited for this. I wish there was more news on that front.
You mean like Wacom tablets? I’m curious to know what’s missing. I’ve been using one of those XP Pen tablets on GNOME and Wayland without much issue. I’m using it for writing more than drawing though.
I really wish Wayland was more fleshed out & stable before all of this happened. Color management isn’t even yet finalized & putting accurate colors on the screen is like the most important part.
I really wish Arcan were further along.
Let’s just hope XFCE can finish the transition before then. If not, I am not looking forward to having to shop for a new DE.
XFCE is still using GTK 3, why would they care what Gnome does with GTK 5? Nobody but Gnome is even using GTK 4.
Not necessarily - pavucontrol switched to GTK4, and there are a lot of other applications that I use that are on it as well. If XFCE stays on X11, I wouldn’t be able to run any application that updates to GTK5 (except through some hack like running Weston nested in X, which I used to do when I used Waydroid).
It’s true that there are some apps not directly associated with any DE that have moved to GTK4. If GTK5 actually was likely to come out any time soon you might have to worry about finding alternatives when they switch to GTK5. That being said though, GTK3 had been out for over 9 years before GTK4 came along, there were 4 years between the “last” version of GTK3 and GTK 4.0.0, they’re still in the “oh, this is what we’ll probably do when we release GTK5” phase of development, XFCE has already made a bunch of progress porting everything over to Wayland, and DE agnostic apps are less likely to switch over right away if mid-size DEs like XFCE and Cinnamon still don’t have good Wayland support. I wouldn’t stress out about it too much.
I just hope Wayland has its accessibility shit together before then. There are people that still need to use X11 for their accessibility needs.
GTK 4 released 9 years after GTK 3, so it’ll be quite some time before GTK 5. If Wayland doesn’t have better accessibility than X11 at that point it’d be time to give up on it as a project, and maybe desktop Linux as a whole.
GTK+4 was released? When??
I’ve been compiling GTK+3 3.2x, the latest stable version about ten years ago and always wonder will they ever advance the major version. Years of installing XFCE4 and stuff and I always saw them pulling GTK+3 as a dependency. Never seen GTK+ marked 4 though.
To be fair I haven’t visited their official website for a while though.
GTK 4 was released in 2020, they also dropped the plus from the name in 2019. GTK 4 is a big update and would be a pretty massive amount of work to switch to. I don’t know when, if ever, XFCE will switch to it.
Yup, considering they deprecated so many functions and removed them I’d imagine switching would be really hard.
Even while writing my new projects in gtk4 (tiny projects) I run into problems of many solutions no longer working because the functions are removed without any replacements.
last time I checked, blind users could not even install any mainstream distro anymore, because they all switched to wayland, and that broke screen readers in the installer.
Yeah. I’m sad to say that, about a year ago, I switched back to macOS because it handles accessibility waaaaay better. And I don’t even use screen readers. It sounds like their situation is even worse :/
I just need the ability to easily zoom in and out using Super+scroll up/down (without causing performance issues or visual jank) and trackpad gestures that aren’t extremely limited. Granted, both of these things may be more of a DE thing, but wherever the issue lies, I would like them fixed.
KDE let’s you do that first one, though it’s ctrl+super. It’s one of my favourite lesser known features.
linux developers only care about shit they themselves care about, powertripping and some stupid principles they made up, not about making a usable environment for everyone
It’s elitism as per usual, i daily drive Linux for 9 years already and always point this out, if we want the year of Linux truly come, then elitism must be stopped as majority of people won’t come to Linux if it’s inconvenient to them and majority of people not a techy guys, Linux guys want people to like Linux but don’t want Linux to BECOME likeable to majority and want it to persist as elite subculture, that’s the MAIN paradox of Linux community and all other problems like systemd vs other init, x11 vs Wayland, tiling wm vs full DE, distro wars, all stem from this same reason, Linux users wanna FEEL elite but want mass adoption and mass recognition of Linux while it’s not yet accessible to everyone or even becoming less accessible like in this case we’re discussing
of course it’s ‘elitism’ and not just a bunch of people volunteering to code shit that’s interesting/relevant for them.
To provide ‘non-elitist’ desktop experience people need to sit down and fix bug backlog for hardware that’s nowhere around them, prioritize features that are relevant to users (even if they are absolutely ass to work on) and etc, etc, etc. You know how it’s called? A job.
Aight, then why hyping forcefully deprecating fully working code base that provided more accessibility and robustness (x11)
X11 versus Wayland isn’t some kind of holy war; Wayland was specifically designed as a successor protocol to the largely cobbled-together X and is objectively superior to it in most ways outside of accessibility.
Right, as I’ve and many people here said, wayland is still not FULLY completed for AVERAGE user and said average user is not going to code patches, he just going to walk away from wayland and from Linux, and this is pushing the year of desktop Linux farther and farther from us
Fr, accessibility is def important and they’re not giving it enough attention
Also I’ve found some games that work fine in Wine under X11 and not in Wayland
The future is now old man. KDE next.
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I s2g im gonna become one of those psychos who runs the oldest Debian that still gets security updates behind a pfsense with whitelisting.
You already said Debian. The rest is redundant.
Please forgive me, as a Debian user I’m prone to senior moments and will soon have my driving license legally revoked.
It’s okay. That’s how you know how stable we are.
Debian users are so stable, that they’re not allowed on planes.
Debian users are so stable, that the Higgs boson was only found once thet had left the room.
I have more mild disses.
Stares in Debian Testing. (Though I use Bookworm on my laptop, probably soon to be Trixie. Nice thing about Trixie is I’ll no longer have to use the Backports kernel on my Thinkpad and can just stay on the LTS one.)
I was looking for some excitement in my life so I installed Arch on my primary device.
I’m disappointed. I’ve had zero issues.
Okay, one issue, but I had that with Debian too. (recovering from sleep mode)
