Its even worse when you force Firefox to use wayland its icon doesn’t even show.

Edit: Oh since everyone now is confused; I only have the flatpak version of Firefox installed yet it doesn’t use the pinned icon and doesn’t even use the firefox icon under wayland at all.

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    silly and lazy

    Not really, if you think about how many distros there are and how many people are currently wasting time with re-packaging software over and over for them i think you’ll come to realize that this is a very clever and efficient move. The way it is done currently seems rather silly in comparison.

    Sidenote: You keep using the term OS … which is false in the sense, that flatpak doenst come with a direct hardware layer / kernel

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      Aside from the kernel you still need most libs, including glibc so it’s a OS without the kernel.

      Next evolution will then be to use flatpak from within flatpak or what?

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        OS without the kernel

        just thought you wanted to use the term OS in a way that people will understand you. Saying OS without the kernel … sounds to me like i want a sandwich without filling .... .

        Next evolution will then be to use flatpak from within flatpak or what?

        Is this a joke about para-virtualization? - anyway, i think flatpaks abstraction and isolations make sense. Not to much and not to little. Just enought to keep an application isolated from the basesystem while using portals to interact with necessary apis.

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          Using the word OS puts across my point, because when you start packaging your toolchain with glibc and whatever libs you need for your application, you end up with a good part of the Linux file system. Yes there’s missing services and so on but they could run if needed.

          It’s not a virtualization joke, it’s more of a “we put flatpak in your flatpak so you can flatpak while you flatpak” recursion joke.

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            Most system libraries are included in runtimes that are shared among applications.

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              Sounds more and more like flatpak is a distribution atop of a distribution.

              Good you can share libs, although I can’t see sense in sharing more than the absolute basic libs, and even then some applications will need different versions of the basic libs.

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                  From what I gather nix is more of a next generation package manager than a application container/sandbox which means potential security problems with old libs could be less, or rather they are probably at the same level as rpm/deb.

                  I don’t see any problems with rpm/deb/etc. ending up getting the boot by nix or another package manager just because they are better, that’s just evolution.

                  As someone said about flatpak/snap that their ‘hidden’ strength is distribution of proprietary software, that’s fine by me if that’s the main usage of them.

                  The sandbox feature can be solved by SELinux/docker/and several other ways depending on usecase.

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                    Sandboxing is not the main feature of Flatpak/Snap, being able to ship an app for various distributions without having to configure them separately is. Docker/Podman can do that, but then you would actually be shipping an entire distro.