I still to this day don’t understand the point that book served. I don’t know if it was just a product of its time but I don’t think a bunch of children would behave like that in the event of being stranded

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    Lord of the Flies was written by a sad man who had problems with humanity. I didn’t react that negatively when I first read it, but I also definitely soured with time.

    Something interesting is that a real life lord of the Flies has happened. Spoiler: they don’t kill each other, they delegated roles, took care of the injured, established food sources, keep a fire burning for more than a year, and eventually got rescued.

    Human nature isn’t merely brutish, pushing people to murder their neighbors because they just felt that way uwu, instead it’s some combination of rational and tribal. We do good by our tribe, we want to be accepted by our tribe, and we often unfortunately define ourselves in opposition to others tribes, whether they be real tribes in prehistory or Xbox vs PS4. However, people don’t murder people over their chosen console, they’re rational enough to realize that’s beyond stupid and meaningless. Children stuck on a island have enough rationality to realize half of them dying is less hands able to work on group projects, and that rationality transcends whatever base tribalism that might energe. The past 20000ish years of history has had people rationally define themselves in gradually bigger tribes, from village to city to religion to nation to supranational identities at different times and in different places. WW2 didn’t solely happen because humans bad and tribal, it happened due to complicated ideological breakdowns of rationality (among other things of course, single causes don’t result in world wars) that otherwise would’ve had the Germans and Japanese realize that prosocial cooperation with their hated groups would’ve had better outcomes for all.

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    It’s supposed to be kind of over the top as an allegorical novel about the nature of humankind and society. Remember it was written after the atrocities of WWII so these things must have laid heavy on the author’s mind. I read it a long time ago though, so not sure what I’d think today reading it. I do remember I identified with Piggy a bit.

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    My literature class in high school discussed it as an allegory for man’s inhumanity to man and the patterns of violence and authoritarianism rather than as a prediction of what would literally happen if children were left to their own devices.

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    I sort of hated some books like that also. Anyway, I think it was more meant to be an allegory about society than a realistic tale of something that might actually happen.

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        That’s the thing… it’s not really about society collapsing or being stranded on an island. It’s about human nature and how people set up societies.

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        You have no idea what you’d do when you’re a day away from starvation for weeks at a time.

        Unless you’ve been there, in which case, ignore me.