I am hosting more than 10 services currently but only Nextcloud sends me errors periodically and only Nextcloud is super extremely painfully slow. I quit this sh*t. No more troubleshooting and optimization.
There are mainly 4 services in Nextcloud I’m using:
Files: as simple server for upload and download binariesCalendar(with DAVx5): as sync server without web UINotes: simple note-takingNetwork folder: mounted on Linux dolphin
Could you recommend me the alternatives for these? All services are supposed to be exposed by HTTPS, so authentication like login is needed. And I’ve tried note-taking apps like Joplin or trillium but couldn’t like it.
Thanks in advance.
If you’re having issues with NextCloud being slow and having errors, it’s probably because the machine you are running it on is low on RAM and/or CPU.
I bring this up because what ever replacements you try would likely have the same issues.
My NextCloud instance was nearly unusable when I had it on a Raspberry PI 3, but when I moved it to a container on my faster machine (AMD Ryzen 7 4800U with 16GB of ram) it now works flawlessly.
I agree with this. It needs a good amount of CPU cycle and RAM. Raspi struggled for me too.
My NC instance runs on a 24GB RAM, 4 CPU Ampere A1 host(Oracle), and still struggles. YMMV.
And it struggles as a photo backup host an i5-7xxx and 16GB RAM at home.
It’s not absurdly slow, it’s just…irritating sometimes.
Yeah, Ive got this in my setup as well and its been pretty slow. I thought it was a network thing because I’m currently using Tmobile home internet but switching to a fiber optic network with 500Mbps up and down soon. Im really hoping that changes things
There are performance tuning tweaks you can do on NextCloud like memory caching etc.
Ooo Lovely! I’ll look into that!
Whta db are you using
Postgres.
Also using redis, did all the typical perf checks listed on NC site etc.
The backing database type and the storage it runs on are just as important too.
Experiencing the same, a good CPU and lots of RAM would resolve the issue
Even if you ran a basic sqlite nexcloud, if properly optimized, you can deal with millions of files like its nothing. And that is the issue, the bugs and lacking optimization…
4650g + 64GB ram + Mysql and it was file locking on just a 21k 10GB folder constantly.
I have written apps (in Go) that do similar and process data 100 times faster then nextcloud. Hell, my scrapers are faster then nextcloud in a local netwerk, and that is dealing with external data, over the internet.
Its BADLY designed software that puts the blame on the consumer to get bigger and better hardware, for what is essentially, early 2000 functionality.
Mysql and it was file locking on just a 21k 10GB folder constantly
It’ll definitely do that if you keep your database on a network share with spinning disks.
Spin up a container with sqlite in a ram disk and point it to your same data location. Most of the problems go away.
It’ll definitely do that if you keep your database on a network share with spinning disks.
Database and Nextcloud where on a 4TB NVME drive … in Mysql with plenty of cache/memory assigned to it. Not my first rodeo, …
I’m running on an SSD as a VM on 10yr old laptop and have had very few issues compared to running on Raspis in the last. It’s not my first rodeo either and found Debian with NexCloudPi setup script worked the best, then restore from backup. The WebUI is performing great as well as bookmarks, contacts, calendar, video chats and most things I’ve thrown at it. NVME may be overkill but the combination of solid CPU, RAM and Disk IO should alleviate any problems. My hunch is there are other resource constraints or bottlenecks at play, perhaps DDOS or other attacks (experienced that for sure and you can test by dropping your firewall ingress rules to confirm).
Also, this is FOSS and I find the features and usability are better than anything else out there, especially with Letsencrypt.
What exactly have you tried to do to address your nextCloud problems?
- Syncthing for files.
- Proton calendar (so not self hosted)
- Joplin, using file based sync with aforementioned syncthing. I saw you didn’t like it though.
- I occasionally use scp
For calendaring, I also went with the option of syncthing via DecSync. I can get my contacts and calendar on Android and Thunderbird, so I can avoid yet another unnecessary webapp.
This does look cool! But I notice that there’s really only one contributor (technically two, but the second only did one tiny commit) and they haven’t contributed any code in over a year. I don’t want to invest too much time migrating to a stale if not dead project.
Honestly, I think that the lack of commits is more due to the application being feature complete than “dead”. I’ve been using it for at least 3 years now and it works quite well.
That’s a fine point! You talked me in to checking it out. Thanks for the recommendation!
Sorry to hear you’ve had a bad experience. I’ve been running the lsio Nextcloud docker container for 4 years without any issues at all.
I was on the same boat when I was running NC on a container. I switched to VM, and most of my issues have been resolved, but collabora. I am currently using the built-in collabora server, which is slow.
I have my issues with Nextcloud, but it’s still, by far, the best solution I’ve come across.
Same and looking forward to the responses here. Nextcloud is too big and complicated. I deployed Immich to cover for the photo library. Still looking for a good solution for notes though.
Did you switch Nextcloud from SQLite to another database?
Other than that, chances are, whatever makes your Nextcloud install slow will also affect Seafile or whatever else you replace it with.
I spent some time with top and iotop debugging my server performance problems. I found an issue that was completely unrelated to Nextcloud. Since I fixed it my Nextcloud instance has been completely reliable.
I looked into Seafile as well but disliked that it stores my files in some weird block format.
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Give Radicale a try for CalDAV and CardDAV.
+1 for radicale. Simple setup, reliable, easy to administer and backup.
If you are willing to consider commercial products, I can recommend Synology DiskStations (at least the plus series). Samba shares are quite easy to setup, you can use Synology Drive to sync a folder between workstations and Android phones which I use for Obsidian for note taking. They also have calendar options, but I use a hosted account at posteo for that.
If you want to stick to nextcloud but don’t want to host it, you could consider Hetzner Storage Share. It’s fully managed and worked great for me so far. But I only use it to share photos with others, so not all features.
Sorge Hetzner Storage Share is what I now use as a “rock solid” Nextcloud. It’s slow as fuck since I activated like all plugins but - hypothetically they let you run those small llms for a Local AI integration meaning you could do a lot for those few bucks.
However, long term, I having setup Nextcloud AIO and so far I did one upgrade without any issues. This Nextcloud could be fast - but is not slow running on 150gb RAM and 6 vCPUs. It would take more RAM if I give it more…but I have a full stack NC with Talk,ClamAV, Talk Record, …
I like the look of filerun - but it’s not free in the community edition anymore. So what I am looking into for a time but could not figure to setup is Pydio.
Perhaps you need something to trigger the webcron so things don’t slow down to a crawl. I use uptime Kuma to trigger the webcron every five minutes and have never had any issues.
Notes: Memos
Calendar: still Nextcloud (caldav is fast enough in nextcloud, even with sqlite) or SOGo
Files: Owncloud OCIS (not the old PHP one)
IMO Joplin is a better idea for note taking
NC AIO has been good for me and support has been awesome. Seafuke is Chinese so I don’t trust it. At least NC is German and has some privacy stuff.
Filerun is good
Try Nextcloud-AIO and install the Preview Generator as well. (note that you will need to run it manually the first time). I did struggle as well, before I found the AIO. Now I’m happy. :-)
