Details are still scant, but…
“I mean, he had a lot of ammunition in that house, and certainly … all of us were strapped, you know, with ammunition, and we were calling for additional ammunition,” Kraus said. “Like I said, we tried to give him every opportunity to come out.”
…I’ll go way out on a limb and suggest that this could’ve been handled better.
Why didn’t the cops just leave and then surprise arrest him two days later when he leaves for some groceries or something?
Obviously he wasn’t a flight risk since he was literally in trouble for not wanting to leave. Did he have a hostage or something? Why was it time sensitive to arrest him that very day?
Because they wanted to murder him
“we gave gim every opportunity to come out” (as he looks out the window to 6 dozen fucking police officers)
‘hey, why didn’t police leave the guy alone during his illegal activities for some more days after letting him know that police is now involved and after noticing the high capability and willingness to use lethal force to sustain said illegal activities?’ ‘because they are all eeeeevilllll’
Yes.
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The property owner has a right to use their property without that guy being there.
An eviction is a court order. The sheriff’s office is usually required to evict. Each states laws are worded a little different.
Alternate phrasing: Single man takes on 75 cops for 6 straight hours.
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End qualified immunity. They likely damaged other people’s property and deprived they of their rights while endangering them.
…I’ll go way out on a limb and suggest that this could’ve been handled better.
Yeah, I mean, they could stop evicting people and sentencing them to homelessness.
That would be a start and would have avoided this entire thing.
I mean the guy could have not spent all his money on guns and ammo and pay rent?
Where are guns on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs do you reckon?
Ammo costs far less than rent and lasts far longer then just a month when purchased.
It’s also not essential, so…
(I know, I know, it’s hard to admit that guns aren’t the most important thing in life for you guys)
You sound no different than boomers telling younger people to stop buying lattes and avocado toast to fix our financial burdens.
(Under handed comments add nothing to the conversation, you just sound like an asshole)
Edit: I thought this guy couldn’t afford rent and was another victim of the housing crisis, rather then just refusing to pay it (something about being a sovereign citizen). My bad.
Dude, if your budget is so tight that you can barely afford to pay your rent then choose your priorities. For that guy it was guns > rent? He deserves zero pity if he gets thrown out on the street. Heck, gun nuts are all about individual responsibilities? Well that’s what individual responsibilities looks like and it looks like he just couldn’t accept it so he felt the need to shoot at the people coming to evict him.
I meant more generally, arguing rent over ammo or other relatively inexpensive (vs rent) wants. Sorry I didn’t realize this particular individual seems to have been avoiding rent rather then unable to afford it.
My bad.
Even if it was an issue with being able to afford it instead of avoiding it, hoarding non essentials while you’re struggling to pay for essential needs is fucking ridiculous, sell that shit, keep a roof above your head.
Guarantee you that him just liquidating the guns and ammo would’ve been enough money for a new apartment or to pay his rent.
Dude didn’t want to pay and wanted to fight the gov because he was a SovCit.
Sources said Hardison believed he was a sovereign citizen, meaning he thought he was exempt from the law.
A Channel 11 News photographer discovered a video of Hardison during a prior interaction with police in 2019. In the video, you can see a Moorish flag, which is flown by Moorish sovereign citizens.
Hardison had a criminal history dating back to at least 2000.
Source: further nested news links if you chase the articles back.
Ah. Fair enough this guy sounds like an asshole.
Apparently if you’re sufficiently against property rights, they’re vital.
Buying guns is better praxis than paying rent.
People should be allowed to occupy and damage any property they’ve set foot on once, not matter how expensive
People should have a home if the action here were to provide another housing option, then this wouldn’t have happened. Also seems the person likely had a traumatic reason for being evicted and needed help.
I agree. But I probably wouldn’t phrase that as “they could stop evicting people”.
Even if well implemented social housing existed, one should still be able to evict people from expensive property they aren’t willing or able to pay for.
We need to throw people on the streets otherwise we risk damage to private property!
Indeed. If you want anything better than the cheapest apartments to exist, you have to be able to evict people who can’t afford more than the cheapest apartments.
Fuck the children of poor people, idiots should’ve been working to supplement the families income if they didn’t want to be crammed into a room with their siblings. Lazy ass kids…
crammed into a room with their siblings
I love how you say this like it’s a crime against humanity lol
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Some people should be allowed to fail.
Some people being anyone who is unable to pay rent?
Sure, I could conceive of a scenario where someone who couldn’t afford rent should be allowed to fail. Are you unable to?
So I can just take all your stuff and you’re fine with it because fuck private property?
There are huge problems in the current system but just letting the person with the most guns do whatever they want is not a good solution
Personal Property is distinct from Private.
You’re literally advocating for stealing from one person to provide for another here so the question is apt.
and they gave the correct answer.
If it prevents someone from being homeless without risking someone else (or me) being homeless then yes. Private property should not be of a higher concern than someone having shelter.
You could be helping hundreds of people in poor countries survive, but you’re not. You should be selling your property and donating the proceeds to UNICEF or similar.
Do you not understand the difference between taking from someone that’s hoarding a resource required by society and taking everything someone owns?
You have more than you need, though, and someone else needs it more than you do. You don’t have to give up everything you own, just everything in excess of your need.
Dude, shut the fuck up.
I hope you get to be in this dude’s situation one day and you have to take your homelessness with a please and thank you, sir, may I have another.
He occupied a house, not an apartment. He got evicted because he wouldn’t settle for less than a whole house.
I may be in this dude’s situation one day. And you know what I’m gonna do? Move to a cheaper apartment.
Where do you have that information? There was nothing about the reason for the eviction in this article or the one it linked to.
Here is a pic of the residence. Idk if rented or not but it is not small
And here is the real reason for the conflict
Sources said Hardison believed he was a sovereign citizen, meaning he thought he was exempt from the law.
Channel 11 News photographer discovered a video of Hardison during a prior interaction with police in 2019. In the video, you can see a Moorish flag, which is flown by Moorish sovereign citizens.
Hardison had a criminal history dating back to at least 2000.
Source is the link to yet another article found within the linked article mentioned in OPs linked article. They post his address I snapped the Street View pic from that.
"We were aware of the actor’s disdain for government when we went to serve the eviction notice which is why we
had extra deputies on the detailcame prepared to escalate this neighborhood into a warzone for shits and giggles," Manko said in an emailed statement Friday.Normally I would say wait until he is out for groceries - his local grocer doesn’t have a lot of ammunition. Though this guy seems to be the kind of guy to have a horde of food, and I don’t think anyone would want him laying suppressive fire on the neighborhood until he runs out.
Moorish sovereign citizens these days, they think they own the place
Never forget
The man died a hero.
In no sane sense was the man a ‘hero’. He was a dipshit and died a dipshit’s death, but it was unnecessary and about 75 cops should be fired.
He shot at cops in defence of his home. Hero. Only sad thing is he missed. ACAB.
He was a wingnut “sovereign citizen” who believed that he was above the law.
Hero
*An Hero
You should look into it.
You know who could realistically reign in the police? You if you run for office.
Actually not really, they are a gang, and act like a gang. Read up on the nonsense the NYPD were doing with NYC mayor deBlasio. Can’t fix the corruption - I don’t really have a good solution other than to tear out the police department root and stem, and rebuild from nothing.
Can’t fix the corruption - I don’t really have a good solution other than to tear out the police department root and stem…
I want this but it’s not realistic. A combination of voting, running for office (even if not to win but to inject topics and move the Overton Window, if you win the purpose isn’t primarily to use the state to do good, but to pull the boot off our necks so we can organize more effectively), small-scale anarchism, dual-power, and mutual aid will be needed. Some may say some of these things contradict but they’ll probably tell you a full-on revolution with a few infighting leftists vs the world is the way. I don’t agree.
and rebuild from nothing.
Oh… :( Rebuild what? Another authoritarian force that for sure this time will behave?
Some very good points, thank you
It would be better to tether them somewhat than rule over them as a monarch.
I don’t know what you all are moaning about, sure, 75 cops is quite a lot, but if you as a cop is there to simply deliver the message and get shot at, do you think the appropriate response is to go: “Oh hell, I’ll just go tell the -ACTUAL- owner of the house that it’s this guy’s house now.” And just leave after somebody tried to murder you?
Sure the economy and the socio-economic environment is what’s caused this to happen, that’s the real disease, but even then you sometimes need to treat the symptoms. This is one of the symptoms. Also a 6.5 hour shootout doesn’t nessicarily mean a high rate if fire, he might aswell just be looking out the window and throw a pistol round out once every 10 minutes. That’s 39 bullets or just around 2.5 pistol magazines.
Stop moaning about it.
It was nonstop gunfire, not just a few rounds here and there.
Source: I work a block away and heard it as I was on lockdown.
I think that a better way to have handled this was for a social worker to be there with police and say, off the bat, that he hasn’t paid on the property since his brother died and he needs to leave but they’re there to help him get into a better situation. Maybe he would have been more open minded to that than heavily armed men trying to break down his door to get him out. At that point you’re just cornering a dangerous animal (as all humans can be) into a corner and made him do whatever it took to retain his quality of life. It’s a tragedy and failure of the system all around.
I’m glad to stand corrected, merely trying to make the point that until we know for certain people shouldn’t assume it was like an active warzone.
That said, we don’t know how it started. They were there to evict somebody that at that point don’t have the legal rights to be in that property. They might’ve knocked the door and explained the situation and ended up getting shot at out of nowhere. Bottom line is he hit his lowest and the reaction was to engage the messengers with lethal force.
Like I said previously, this is a symptom of a socioeconomic disease that needs to get cured, even as such you still sometimes have to treat the symptoms. He didn’t do this because he wanted to, but it’s not the landlord’s problem to handle either and a social worker wouldn’t have stopped him from getting evicted. Worst case scenario that social worker would’ve gotten shot and killed for telling him he needs to find a new home.
How’s about, tear gas tossed through a window, instead of hours of gunshots?
Absolutely, not knowing the situation however, it might’ve had to be delivered by a launcher if the door or windows themselves could not be reached on foot.
I don’t know anything about their police, but considering the political climate regarding the “militarization” of the police force it’s not entirely impossible they don’t have said launchers. As such, safely deploying gas canisters might’ve been deemed impossible.
The police in every big- or even mid-size American city have tear gas and all the necessary equipment to use it.
I can’t believe your takeaway isn’t “the cops fucked up”
