• toasteecup@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Socialism by definition is not anti establishment. It’s anti current establishment but the philosophy is geared towards a bigger government “establishment”.

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      9 months ago

      No, it is not. Socialism does not mean statism. Please feel free to read up on libertarian socialism, Anarcho syndicalism or even eco socialism. The Greens/EFA in europe lean towards libertarian socialism.

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            9 months ago

            Right now our government has been trending authoritarian, but our companies are full-blown dictatorships.

            In my ideal world, we don’t have private ownership of businesses. Instead of banks we only have credit unions, instead of corporations providing services, we’d have worker’s co-ops. We wouldn’t even really have a stock market per-se, because everyone would own a share of every company.

            The duty of our collective ventures is to benefit mankind, not to steal from the poor and give to the rich. Furthermore, our society should be optimized for the freedom of its people, not the freedom of its corporate masters nor the freedom of its military industrial complex.

            Probably the most prominent libertarian socialist thinker is Noam Chomsky.

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        9 months ago

        I was 100% not aware if libertarian socialism. Definitely something to learn about. Thank you

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      9 months ago

      I’m pretty sure that’s the difference between anti establishing and anti government. the “establishment” is the established power structure. technically fascists ARE anti establishment in most places. and that’s a very good thing.

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        9 months ago

        Are they tho

        Republicans are going mask off, Italy is run by fascists again, AfD is at 20%, Putin is invading neighbors and bankrolling white supremacists world wide, Israel’s engaging in open genocide, their neighbors wish they could do the same, the second largest party in Sweden was founded by Neo-Nazis…

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        9 months ago

        Fascists only pretend to be anti establishment their whole thing is preserving capitalism when it enters crisis.

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          9 months ago

          hmm, that feels a bit like splitting hairs. at that point we have to argue whether the establishment is capitalism, or the government. and that just seems like a pedantic argument about semantics that will accomplish nothing. point being, most fascists want to overthrow their current government.

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            9 months ago

            The government is part of the structure of capitalism though. It is an expression of the power of capital.

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      9 months ago

      Depends which sense of “socialism” you mean, purely Marxist socialism perhaps, socialism in general no.