• CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    what then also blows my mind, is that for anyone “swayed” by that… do they think trump would be better? Hasn’t he literally said he wants israell to do MORE?

    • evergreen@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      I think what gets them is that they feel they actively voted for someone that they feel is complicit with genocide. It’s that actively supporting part. It sucks that they get hung up on that because unfortunately a vote for not Biden is effectively a vote for Trump, in a very critical election.

      Yes, the right wing blindly supports Israel, much more so than most Dems in my opinion. A lot of it has to do with Christianity and Israel needing to exist in order to bring about the rapture, according to the Bible.

      Either way, this stuff can turn volatile when say, foreign troll farms push it to the right groups, and I don’t think the polls can account for things like that.

    • bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      8 months ago

      As someone on the far left, no, I don’t know a single person who thinks trump would be better. You would have to intentionally not understand the logic behind leftist views in order to think that anyone who holds such beliefs would think that.

      There is no compromising when it comes to some issues. Issues such as human rights, minority rights, and most obviously genocide, can only be dealt with in a single way. Human rights must be respected. Minority rights must be respected. Genocide must be prevented at all costs.

      To simplify things, if your main desire at the polls is a candidate who will prevent genocide, what difference is there between someone who quietly supports 80% of the genocidal regime, or the person who loudly supports 100% of it. Something like pragmatically saying 20% is wrong because it reduces the value of human life to simple statistics, and accepts a 20% reduction in the most abhorrent crime against humanity as a good thing. It would be like saying something absurd like “the ottomans were the good guys, they genocided less than the nazis who were only bad because their death toll was higher. If we consider the genocide of indigenous peoples in the americas, the nazis are good guys!!1!”

      I’d also like to add that people on the left, especially those on the far left, have also have less reason to vote for biden. He is a centrist liberal desperately trying to appear progressive. While he has some policies that I’ve liked, his platform doesn’t represent my (or any libertarian socialist/anarchist) values on any meaningful level. It took me 3 years to notice one of his policies that got through. At that point, it’s just saying “Vote for the lesser evil,” and hoping that the person being told that doesn’t realize you are asking you are still asking them to vote for an objectively evil candidate.