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    9 months ago

    Don’t conflate liberals and the right. Liberals don’t actively try to fuck over workers like rightists are. Further, it doesn’t matter what liberals were 100 years ago, do you think Biden is as bad as Trump?

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      Liberalism only appears on the left if your political spectrum extends from “capitalism, but the poor get some scraps” to “capitalism, but the poor don’t get scraps”.

      Liberals literally do fuck over the workers, the very structure they maintain, capitalism, is the exploitation of workers.

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        9 months ago

        By voting for socialist leaders who won’t get elected, you allow the right to get elected and thereby deny them those scraps. And I think the homeless would rather have some scraps than none. Also, when in a contemporary democracy, this is the spectrum, no one else would get elected.

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          I think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the state in capitalism. It’s not just by chance that the state has represented the interests of the capitalists, despite them being a tiny minority, since 1776.

          The state giving more scraps isn’t a response to voters wanting it, if the state represented the people, we wouldn’t have capitalism. It’s a response to a threat to capitalism, a sort of safety valve.

          But on the subject of electoralism, Biden got elected and had both houses. He did fuckall, is bombing yemen, and facilitating a genocide in Israel. If you cannot punish a politician for all that, your interests do not even begin to enter the equation.