• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Syndicalism is another method. The vast majority of Leftists don’t believe you can simply use a Capitalist state for Socialism.

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      8 months ago

      Wasn’t familiar with that term, looked it up. That looks like reform within the system rather than seizing the state. To do “through industrial unionism, seeks to unionize workers according to industry and advance their demands through strikes, with the eventual goal of gaining control over the means of production and the economy at large through social ownership,” you need to not get shot when you strike. Trump would absolutely hire the Pinkertons of old to kill strikers and union leaders. Biden has been an outlier in how good he has been for unions, and capital is trying to use the captured supreme Court against him in that. So, I’d prefer that he stay in office and keep doing that, while yes, absolutely, 1000%, organize and do strikes and generally fight harder from within the system than just casting a vote every four years. Just don’t flip the table or encourage others to rather than do these things, is my perspective, and that’s what revolution means in my understanding.

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        8 months ago

        Syndicalism is literally siezing the means, it isn’t reform. What do you think Revolution is? Bombing everyone?

        Biden being less terrible doesn’t make him a force for good.

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          8 months ago

          Biden being less terrible doesn’t make him a force for good.

          No, but him being adequate to not dragging leftists out behind the barn and having them shot is a necessary basis for any sort of improvement.

          What do you think Revolution is? Bombing everyone?

          Bombing everyone seems inefficient to the goal, which in a revolution is overthrow of the existing order. I’m not aware of any peaceful overthrowings of existing orders, can you point to some?

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                8 months ago

                Depends. The Russian Revolution was fairly bloodless, and overthrew the Monarchy. The USSR obviously had a whole slew of different issues, but was dramatically better than the Monarchy.

                How do you think Electoralism could achieve genuine change?