• ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Big movements on developed countries won’t change how developing countries will treat the climate going forward. Do you really believe on the numbers reported by China for example? Do you think that poor countries where millions of people starve care about not burning hydrocarbons? CO2 production is a game of scales and the little we can contribute is just that, little, very little in fact if compared to what big industries do around the world.

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      If we invest to develop the technology for e.g. clean energy then we can easily export it. If solar becomes dirt cheap and easy to install and maintain then it would be perfect for Africa where it’s mostly sunny. Solar would be cheaper and easier than burning hydrocarbons.

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        People don’t seem to get that

        • CO2 emissions are decoupled from GDP, and that
        • developing countries might not walk the same path to prosperity as the industrialized countries did.
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          there is no absolute, global decoupling happening. it is a lie used to propagate dreams of green growth.

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      So it’s best to be a bad example? Why wouldn’t people then say “If very rich nations can’t even do it, then poorer nation surely can’t”, and suddenly nobody is doing anything?

      Also: If you’re a developing country, why would you try to buy technology from 50 or 100 years ago? Why wouldn’t you buy low-cost technology of 2023, e. g. solar power? I don’t see the rock-solid connection that you are assuming.

      Also: are you saying “developing countries might, in the future, emit lots of CO2” is an excuse for the current worst polluters to just continue? Would you accept it if I’m a serial robber and used the excuse “I expect a large number of poor people will commit a lot more robberies very soon”?

      • ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world
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        wow, chill bruh! I didn’t say I thought is wrong for those that can do it, do it. I criticised the apparent need for “revolution” over governments on developed countries. if you/me live in a developed country we are already doing better and will continue to do better, no doubt. Just don’t flatter yourself thinking that we must do this at any cost because other, poorer countries aren’t and won’t be for a very long time…

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      If the rich countries who can easily afford being green won’t do it, why should the poor countries who cannot?

    • SierpinskiDreieck@feddit.de
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      So I guess we just die? What is your solution? All people of the world have to change what they CAN change. For me that is myself, my region and my country.