I would break my ribcage and turn my rib bones into bayonets so Hamas can stab more zionazi colonizers
Lesser-evilists when imperial periphery:
Hamas bad because they kill soldiers within a crowd of civilians. Israel and pax americana reign of terror good because they kill civilians that supposedly host terrorists without evidence.
People, especially academics, will read and quote Fanon and then denounce any and all indigenous resistance. Goes to show they have just turned everything into a career.
Lesser evilers on their way to run defence for a fascist war criminal
Some of those people said if it was tossup between hitler or mussolini, they would vote mussolini. I don’t know whether they got 0 historical illiteracy or legit believe it, either way they giving the veneer away.
Why does it say 8 comments but there are only like 2?
hexbear user 🫵
it’s because they’re from instances that defederated with hexbear
Oh lol
Mine says 16 and there are a lot idk
I have a legitimate question. I think I have a hard time understanding the argument that I should not vote for Biden because I am operating under the presupposition that there will inevitably only be one of two outcomes: either Biden or Trump will be president. And within those two outcomes, one is objectively worse than the other. So… Why would I not act to hopefully enable the less bad option from becoming my future?
Both parties are nearly fascist. Both support genocide in Palestine and slaughter at the border. Biden has done more against his supposed promises than for. In the end, I don’t care if you vote. It doesn’t take that long, it won’t matter, and you shouldn’t fret about getting out the vote or something. Energy is best spent outside of electoralism, but you can engage a bit if you want.
“Nearly” fascist is giving those peckerwoods a LOT more leeway than they deserve
At what number of Palestinians does it cross from nearly to fully. I am always wondering but it’s all moot. They would run cover for fascists even if the entire global south was gone. “Look I know we wiped out the bolivians, but the lithium we stole (we could have paid for it btw) allowed us to go green and save humanity”.
That’s colonialism, not specifically fascism. Liberalism is so bad I don’t know when it ends and fascism begins honestly.
True, the terms signify location and subjects is all, but yes you are correct.
To your question about liberalism and fascism: Aime Cesaire said it best, no difference between a liberal in the colonies and a fascist in Europe.
And how exactly is it better? Both are puppets of capital and will keep the genocide of the Palestinian people and the war in Ukraine moving. Saying the democrats are better is just pure propaganda. After 4 years of presidency, children are still in cages, anti-trans laws are still being passed, working conditions haven’t improved at all and Guantanamo bay is still operating… I could go on for ages, but I think you get the idea.
So, how is voting for Democrats any better?
we got some train money and the usa is back on the paris accord and they passed the best climate legislation the usa has (to be clear because i know u dont understand the word “best” it is not good nor enough it less bad than everything else), we got some student loan debt relief. a few good things have actually happened that would almost certainly not have happened otherwise.
Train money
That will never go to expanding or upgrading our train lines when other countries are already figuring out actual high-speed rail
Paris accord
Funny that you think any corporation in Amerika will actually honor said accords; these people have to be gunned down to make them start caring about the environment because legislature and sanction is not doing it
Student loan debt relief
That only came as a result of debt holders threatening to default en masse and crash the economy again; which led to the most minimal relief Biden could possibly dole out as a spite maneuver. Out of the current 7.4 billion being doled out, AT BEST debt holders can only expect 20k in relief when the vast majority of these debt holders hold way more than that.
The ‘good’ is not enough, and half the time, laced with barbs to catch in one’s throat on the way down after you’ve swallowed it. It’s still death to the Democrats.
if u carefully read my comment u will notice that i only used the word “good” to say something was not good, because it isnt good, non of it is and thats not what was asked the question was how is voting for democrats any better, yes its not good enough that much is self evident, i never said it was, that was never the claim i said it was better. there are 2 options at the federal level neither is good and again i didnt say either was but if u are going to bother to vote one is better.
ur response doesnt even engage with what i said at all, pointing out that the measures are half ass doesnt in any way contradict that they are better than the alternative of literally nothing, pointing out that biden is bad does not exclude the possibility that he is better. it is just mind boggling to me that some people can not understand the meaning of better and lesser it is just so bizarre.
It’s not that we can’t; it’s that we reject this relativist metric in favor of something absolute and quantifiable. Fact: Biden is no better materially for the people or the country. No change he’s put forward in his 3 and a half years of administration has resulted in ANY kind of MATERIAL improvement to the average Amerikan’s living conditions-- and in a lot of places, they’re worse!
After all, he’s responsible for the RICO charging of 61 Black Cop City protestors, he added to Trump’s wall, he’s still running the ‘detention’(read: concentration) camps at the southern border, Roe v Wade went away under his watch, several states have implemented even more draconian anti-abortion and anti-LGBTQ+ legislation under his watch; it goes on and on and on enough that we reject lesser/better comparison where he’s concerned.
He doesn’t deserve the puffery of relativist measurement.
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Actually student loaners should’ve crashed the economy without concessions
I’m not going to vote for someone giving full-throated endorsement and material support for genocide. If that isn’t a red line, nothing is.
To add to what OP said, the takeaway is that people should be taking politics elsewhere, making propaganda, picketing, whatever (of course, it’s better under a party, which would organize people in order to achieve some goals, but something, anything, is better than nothing). Electoralism didn’t achieve the 8-hour working day.
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Hamas is worth critical support
Of course it is, all support should be critical.
so is “Hamas is actually good, though.”
No they are actively doing great damage to the occupation forces. Obviously we’d prefer that the PFLP was the dominant party, but given how things are at the moment, Hamas is good.
“XYZ is good” is invariably read as blanket approval of everything XYZ does. That’s not what we mean, so we shouldn’t say it.
I disagree. If I say “I like puppies” does it mean I not only like when they’re cute and friendly, but also when they pee on the floor? If I say the USSR was good do I mean everything about it was perfect including LGBT persecution and it’s internal contradictions that led to collapse? Anyway, I can think of ways Hamas can be better, but what don’t I approve of? So yes, Hamas is good.
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Disprove the atrocity propaganda, say you don’t care if they’re religious because they’re doing the work. You’ll get the same response if you say critical support from the jump.
Edit: maybe starting with critical support is better in a conversational context, but it’s a meme and “it’s good” works so much better.
You’ll get the same response if you say critical support from the jump.
Yes, but it doesn’t land the same when you say critical support from beginning to end. If you start with “good” and switch to “critical support” that comes off as backtracking or trying to weasel around what you mean.
but it’s a meme and “it’s good” works so much better.
It’s just not that great of a meme. It flattens the best take (critical support) into something resembling what the pro-genocide crowd accuses us of (blindly endorsing even the bad parts of anti-imperialist resistance).
What bad parts do you keep pointing to? The meme will become much worse if I try to include a lot of nuance. That’s why people don’t like “leftist memes.” There’s a reason why “Stalin did nothing wrong” is a meme and not “here’s a few good things Stalin did and a few I don’t like as much.”
What if I changed it to “hamas isn’t even bad/evil tho?”
Aren’t you the guy who constantly curves the colonized who bring up any kind of attempted struggle against their settlers? Yeah, this peckerwood-assed take scans coming from you. Hell, there’s already been a read-down on you; it ain’t just me.
Do better.
Aren’t you the guy who constantly curves the colonized who bring up successful struggle against their settlers?
That’s a link to a thread about working class people being more generous about sharing small costs, where I point out that class traitors have played prominent roles in every successful revolution, and should be encouraged.How is that related to “critical support is the best take, not a blanket endorsement”
The point here is you can’t be trusted to have a single decent take regarding colonized people, which you clearly aren’t (or are a Sunken-Place-assed coon; which’d be sadder, but I’m beyond tears for you if that’s the case). Any time the subject of colonizers and how to deal with them come up, you can always be counted on to be running interference for opfor. Every time. At least you finally said something for once, I expected this to be another one of your hits where a subject-of-empire addresses you and then you just play “I have mysteriously gone blind” for a fuckin week.
The point here is it is not your fucking call to condemn people dealing with their colonizers in the way they see fit. Giving this situation “critical support” implies there’s some element here that perturbs you, that makes you incapable of uplifting their struggle to the point it deserves. What about driving out the colonizers by any means necessary merits bare critical support out of you? You approach them from a state of colonial chauvinism that you’ve never once investigated or attempted to unmake. And it disgusts me.
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Neither of these are the original takes you made; nice revisions though. At least my revisions are up-front and indicated by a marker on the post; you do yours skullduggerously, after-the-fact to cover for already-committed fuckshit. For the original take of #1, why won’t you endorse the any-means-necessary driving out of colonizers? Why can you only critically support it, and why does it walk hand in hand with your chauvinism? For the original take of #2, you were not fucking arguing for the support of class traitors, you were whelping about how our use of “cracker” wasn’t “coalition-building behavior”. Own your bullshit with your whole chest, thank you.
Further, when you put an objectively bad take out there and someone addresses you on it, doesn’t your instance specifically have a rule about walking out on good faith dialogue? That one I’ll allow it might be Lemmygrad specific; but I’d swear Hexbear had something like that on the books too, and in ignoring it, you come off as just another haughty-assed settler trying to set conditions on the field when your walk-off comment is running defense for crackers.
You can absolutely leave it here, but just understand that you radiate a certain look at this point; and for someone as obsessed with optics politics with how you’ve tried debating QueerCommie down, it amazes me that you can’t tell. Like I said before: do better.
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This coming from the person who edited both of their comments after I responded to them.
Someone can’t read timestamps, apparently.
What I mean by critical support
There is a time and a place for ‘critical support’; and a war against colonizers is not it.
Debatelord shit
I could call your repetitive lying and backpedaling settler shit, couldn’t I? Only reason I hadn’t til now was I was still trying to be civil; but I guess that’s out the window.
I was criticizing the comment “I don’t trust a white person unless they have a biracial kid, and even then maybe not.”
Wrong, you posted a top-level comment to a thread OP that had NOTHING TO SAY about biracial kids “Lots of normal comments, very conducive to building a mass movement”. You were whelping about the whole thread at that top-level point, and then tried to move goalposts to a convenient other comment after you caught pushback. Lies, damn lies, and settler shit. You might as well have that be your last reply to me; it perfectly encapsulates everything you’re about.
What is supposed to be the message?
Liberals justify supporting Biden as a “lesser evil” to trump. They show hypocrisy in the Palestinian situation where they can see it’s a genocide but refuse to support the resistance to genocide. Hamas is not only “less bad” than “Israel” (the argument for Biden), Hamas is simply good.
Thanks for the explanation!
You’re welcome
Ah comrades from lemmygrad. I constantly wonder if I should block you or not. On the one hand you are some third grade socialists after all but on the other… well
Don’t worry we now blocked us for you <3
Ah, crackers from lemm.ee. Get bent around the carceral state you fetishize.
I am an anarchist nowadays, better than some twisted cult of one person of yours
You seriously think MLism is just lenin circlejerking?
We also jerk over claudia jones, britney spears, tupac, malcom x, angela davis, thomas sankara, mao, deng, xi and north korea get it right thank you xox
Some of us jerk raw over Malcolm and Sankara too
all people who actually did stuff
Me cracking theory and history books trying to figure out why Britney Spears is included in that lineup
Against the state, for the state dept.
A rebel against bedtimes, are we? Pathetic.
so you are a loser
I hope the hostility below doesn’t turn you off.
Most of us express frequent criticisms of the thought and political leaders who share our ideology. We just don’t do it publicly because that’s stupid and no one does. Why should we loudly say “these guys did xyz wrong, but you should like them?”
Yet you’ll toe the line for the KKKraKKKer state, acting like the yanKKKee dog you are. I mean they lied about Saddam’s WMD, lied about Gaddafi, lied about Vietnam, but they’re telling the truth this time. Jesus, some of you KKKumSSKKKins have worser memories than goldfish for Christ’s sake.
Wealth is there to motivate people to do something more than dwell and ruminate. If there was a wealth cap or maximum amount of money you can have no one would have motivation to do all these things we have like companies and such. It’s not so black and white. Currently probably the best bleeding edge system is doughnut economy where power of capitalism is constrained to non essentials from one side and planet health from another. https://www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/ Netherlands if I remember correctly currently is doing something in that direction and generally eu capitalism is somewhat constrained
Unfair stuff. I never had to work even tbh. I mean I did some because it was like an adventure with a friend. annoying that not everyone can just live and don’t worry about those things. I really would like it to be like this for everyone but I don’t feel I have any power to make it happen other than voting which I do for the left and even socialists. It’s still hard to understand honestly all the doom prophecies and such from my pov
“Anarchist”
Truly pinnacle of naivety. Everyone that wants to focus on empathy and wellbeing already does so, limits or not and those that don’t care won’t care World isn’t bad because capitalism, world is bad because there are bad people
Deeply unserious
“Your argument is bad. You see, I have already labeled you the chud and depicted myself as the chad.”
You’re just mad I’m right
Stop being the chud, then. EZPZ.
Eww, KKKraKKKer alert.
Death to the DemoKKKratiKKK party, death to the RepubliKKKan party, victory to Communism.
