“Financially incentivised”? As in, the people who make a living creating original art? The people whose work is being taken without compensation and fed into a mindless program to plagiarise their work?
Those bastards?
Artists aren’t some rich elite that you are winning one over on here. They are individuals who have been told for years that ‘exposure’ is the best payment. They are people, not companies. They have worked hard to develop their skills.
Their ‘financial incentive’ is wanting to be paid for their hard work? Fuck those guys right?
ai will not help real artists except for perhaps generating references. calculators are of great use to mathematicians because they are tools that do not steal their jobs, but instead make said jobs easier.
But they don’t learn when you train them. They mashup what they have been fed, and shit out an approximation of your request each time. When you type “in the style of xyz”, the system doesn’t remember who xyz is. It does a search for data on xyz, and copies it.
If these models were learning, you wouldn’t still need paragraph long prompts every time you wanted to plop out another plastic-skinned anime chick with fucked-up flipper hands and huge bazoongas. It would have learned how to make that shit by now.
Honestly, I’m having a ton of fun with generative A.I. as a marketing producer. It’s allowing me to play in new ways and realize ideas that I would have never had the time or resources to execute otherwise. It’s given me the confidence to explore entirely new mediums and workflows that have bled over into my personal art.
Despite your fun little loopholes, piracy by definition is theft. Find a different word for it if you’d like, but you can’t redefine the term because you don’t like what it implies.
Also… you cherry-picked your definition:
An act of robbery on the high seas, also an act resembling such robbery
unauthorized use of another’s production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
Miriam Webster is where I got my definition from. You absolutely cherry picked. You only included the part that made your point for you and left out the part that made mine:
I feel like this is where the “piracy is [not] theft” message breaks down. The question most people care about isn’t whether or not it’s definitively theft, but rather whether it’s ethical or not.
AI art is just as much theft as piracy is, its not and the only morons who say it is are financially incentivised to make that claim.
“Financially incentivised”? As in, the people who make a living creating original art? The people whose work is being taken without compensation and fed into a mindless program to plagiarise their work? Those bastards?
Artists aren’t some rich elite that you are winning one over on here. They are individuals who have been told for years that ‘exposure’ is the best payment. They are people, not companies. They have worked hard to develop their skills.
Their ‘financial incentive’ is wanting to be paid for their hard work? Fuck those guys right?
This is akin to mathematicians saying fuck calculators.
ai will not help real artists except for perhaps generating references. calculators are of great use to mathematicians because they are tools that do not steal their jobs, but instead make said jobs easier.
Calculator: 2+2=4
AI: 2+2={4,5,13,52,…}
AI techbros: Wassa problem? It’s givin u an answer, innit? Just as good as a calculaduh.
But its not plagiarism. Its just training. In terms of information its no different from a human just seeing an art piece.
But they don’t learn when you train them. They mashup what they have been fed, and shit out an approximation of your request each time. When you type “in the style of xyz”, the system doesn’t remember who xyz is. It does a search for data on xyz, and copies it.
If these models were learning, you wouldn’t still need paragraph long prompts every time you wanted to plop out another plastic-skinned anime chick with fucked-up flipper hands and huge bazoongas. It would have learned how to make that shit by now.
Honestly, I’m having a ton of fun with generative A.I. as a marketing producer. It’s allowing me to play in new ways and realize ideas that I would have never had the time or resources to execute otherwise. It’s given me the confidence to explore entirely new mediums and workflows that have bled over into my personal art.
This sentence is so not how those AI models work, that it leads me to believe you don’t actually know enough about them to be having this discussion.
It’s like a cover band trying to replace the real deal by writing “original” songs that are suspiciously derivative.
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I agree. Neither is AI art
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By definition- it is.
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Despite your fun little loopholes, piracy by definition is theft. Find a different word for it if you’d like, but you can’t redefine the term because you don’t like what it implies.
Also… you cherry-picked your definition:
An act of robbery on the high seas, also an act resembling such robbery
unauthorized use of another’s production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
If you can’t own it you can’t steal it.
Yeah… I’ve heard that tired argument before also. Some companies aren’t ALL companies. So this falls apart when nuance and common sense is applied.
Good luck getting bamboozled!
Nearly everything I own is digital versions. I’ve not once had an issue being “bambozled.”
But then again, I don’t blow things out of proportion and apply the behavior of one thing to all things. This happens when one matures into adulthood.
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Miriam Webster is where I got my definition from. You absolutely cherry picked. You only included the part that made your point for you and left out the part that made mine:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy
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I feel like this is where the “piracy is [not] theft” message breaks down. The question most people care about isn’t whether or not it’s definitively theft, but rather whether it’s ethical or not.
A big difference with piracy is that typically that’s not large companies profiting off the work of countless individuals, but the other way around.
Thats not what makes piracy not theft you dingus, its that its literally not, in any legal sense, theft
I don’t think they’re disagreeing with your central point.