• hannes3120@feddit.de
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    Who are those 50.000 that went from green party to afd? What kind of reason could there possibly be for that?

    Also interesting how it’s the same as in the us where the answer to “how’s the country doing economically” vastly depends on your news sources since only a very low amount of people in Germany are out of work, the Dax is hitting multiple records in recent months, the economy is growing, inflation is going down and the unions are achieving raises above the inflation level

    But for some reason all you hear about is the food prizes which actually didn’t increase that much compared to the normal shrinkflation. Or everyone was portraying how there would be disastrous power outages after the switch off of the atomic generators but nothing like that happened. Or how Germany had the lowest inflation amongst most European countries despite having the biggest dependency on russian gas because the political decisions made where actually really on point.

    But for some reason nothing of this is reaching AFD voters so they keep ignorant and think the economy is failing.

    Kind of similar to how regions with the fewest migrants are the most racist since the media has full control over the scare tactics targeted at them without any reality interfering

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      Who are those 50.000 that went from green party to afd? What kind of reason could there possibly be for that?

      Misguided pacifists that believe that the AfD would negotiate a peace deal with Putin in Ukraine. I personally know some like that… who just barely stopped short of admitting they considered voting for the AfD because of that.

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          Sure, mostly. But especially in east Germany there are some with a deep aversion against voting for “communists”, which is why they voted Green and not LINKE before.

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      the Dax is hitting multiple records in recent months, the economy is growing, inflation is going down and the unions are achieving raises above the inflation level

      Stock market figures only benefit the wealthy. It is an entirely meaningless figure for measuring the economic situation of a country’s population.

      inflation is going down

      Inflation “going down” doesn’t mean there is no more inflation. It only means that there is less inflation than before.

      the unions are achieving raises above the inflation level

      Only a minority of the German workforce is even represented by those unions, also, most of them barely managed to get raises covering the recent inflation. Inflation adjusted salaries in Germany have been stagnating and even shrinking for decades now, so whatever has been achieved by the few unions isn’t really that impressive in the long run.

      The reality of the majority of people in Germany is vastly different from what you are describing.

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        Inflation “going down” doesn’t mean there is no more inflation. It only means that there is less inflation than before

        Keep in mind that “inflation going down” is usually shorthand for the year-on-year inflation rate going down.
        If the yoy inflation rate goes down from one month to the next, then prices are still higher than previous year but may very well have fallen since last month.

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      Who are those 50.000 that went from green party to afd? What kind of reason could there possibly be for that?

      Not to speculate too much but according to court records, Beate Zschäpe browsed Greenpeace news before setting the camper ablaze.

      The German far-right has never been anti-environmentalist as such, much to the contrary: On the first Green party convention there were a lot of people who were of the opinion that not enough is being done for the German forest. Until they got kicked out with prejudice. It’s the centre-right which likes to bury nuclear waste in leaky barrels in leaky salt mines.

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        Not to speculate too much but according to court records, Beate Zschäpe browsed Greenpeace news before setting the camper ablaze.

        Where the fuck did you get that nonsense?

        The German far-right has never been anti-environmentalist as such, much to the contrary: On the first Green party convention there were a lot of people who were of the opinion that not enough is being done for the German forest. Until they got kicked out with prejudice. It’s the centre-right which likes to bury nuclear waste in leaky barrels in leaky salt mines.

        This is also bullshit. The AfD literally does not believe in climate change and wants to get the coal industry running again. The Greens are pretty much the number 1 enemy of the far right in Germany and everyone caring for the environment is seen as a menace, because the whole topic kinda became a left leaning political topic somehow (likely due to US politics).

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          Where the fuck did you get that nonsense?

          Public TV. Some documentary about the whole insanity that happened that day.

          The AfD literally does not believe in climate change and wants to get the coal industry running again.

          I never said anything to the contrary… well I guess I should’ve been more specific: Nazis were never anti-environmentalist as such. I think AfD climate denialism roots in their neoliberal history, when Nazis took over they didn’t change it because they’re not planning on doing anything in their programme once in power, anyway, and it’s politically convenient.

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              Germany. Greenpeace was quite prominent in her browser history. She’s a murderous fascist assclown doesn’t mean she doesn’t care about the whales, and whatever. Hitler loved dogs. How is this surprising or unbelievable to you.

              …and, ok, fine, I’ll get you a source. Not the original documentary (probably depublished), have a taz article:

              1. November 2011: Uwe Mundlos und Uwe Böhnhardt liegen tot in einem Wohnmobil in Eisenach. Das Ende der Terrorzelle NSU, nach dreizehn Jahren. 181 Kilometer östlich, in der Frühlingsstraße 26 in Zwickau-Weißenborn, sucht die Benutzerin „Liese“ am Computer nach Nachrichten. „Liese“ ist einer der Alias-Namen von Beate Zschäpe. Wie sie vom Tod ihrer Kumpanen erfährt, ist immer noch unklar. Aber irgendwie muss sie es mitbekommen haben. Nun flieht sie. Kurz vorher tippt „Liese“ noch einen Satz in das Suchfeld des Internetbrowsers: „wohin kann ich sicher spenden“. Sie geht auf Seiten der Diakonie, eines Tierheims, von Greenpeace.

              She set her apartment ablaze, not the camper with the other two dead Nazis inside, I misremembered that one.

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                lmao So we went from “browsing Greenpeace news” to “she was visiting a website of an animal shelter”. And no, Hitler did not love dogs. You’re just continuing to spew far right propaganda bullshit here to push a narrative.

                Blondi played a role in Nazi propaganda by portraying Hitler as an animal lover. Dogs like Blondi were coveted as “germanische Urhunde”, being close to the wolf, and became very fashionable during the Nazi era. On 29 April 1945, one day before his death, Hitler expressed doubts about the cyanide capsules he had received through Heinrich Himmler’s SS. To verify the capsules’ potency, Hitler ordered Dr. Werner Haase to test one on Blondi, who died as a result.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blondi

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        Yeah but the green party is like the official antagonist for the AfD

        Of all the parties there are their favourite target to delegitimize at any possiblity