Well Fargo fired people for working a second job ON COMPANY TIME, USING COMPANY RESOURCES AND COMPUTERS.
THIS IS FRAUD.
They abso-fucking-lutely deserved this. Don’t get behind this story and act like it’s employers being shitty when it was employees faking working their main job using mouse/keyboard idlers to work a second job during time they were being paid by the first job for, using resources provided by the first job.
Work 2 jobs separately? Big whoop. Being paid for your time to do a job and you do a completely different job in that time using your employers resources? Hell, be glad they didn’t sue you.
Get behind real issues, not this. This just makes you look like the reddit anti work mod who got interviewed and complained that they couldn’t support themselves as a dog walker for 2 hours a week. It makes YOU look unreasonable.
I reread the article again. I did see anything mentioned about employees working 2nd jobs on company time, nor was it among the reasons they were fired.
This is like the 3rd version of the article at this point. It’s mentioned in other articles. What is mentioned in this one is they used devices to pretend to be active during times they were expected to be. You know, fraud.
Right to work laws have nothing to do with at-will employment, which it what you’re describing. Right to work laws prevent unions from collecting dues from non-union members. That’s all.
Before anyone jumps on and says right to work laws prevent union shops from requiring membership in a union as a condition of employment, that was the Taft-Hartley act of 1947.
I’m not even mad at the employers to be fair. The problem is that so many jobs are just busy-work that exists because as a society we can’t imagine decoupling labour from subjugation.
They used company computers to do another companies work. That’s theft. Just like you want to comment on wage theft and the like, this is employee theft. Now, if you want to argue that it’s justified, that’s one thing. But don’t reframe this as “well they were just doing nothing anyways”. No, they used computers and resources that explicitly weren’t theirs for their own benefit. Sounds A LOT like the wage theft you want to complain about when it’s an employer doing it, but suddenly it’s ok when the tables are turned. Nah, it’s still an immoral act.
You are correct that in our current capitalist system, the employees were in the wrong.
The problem is the capitalist system itself is wrong.
The Antiwork community is here to as a counter culture to the capitalist/corporate culture that has become so ingrained in our society at large. The idea that a person is forced to stay at work for their entire shift, even during times where there is no work to be done, is a problem. That is essentially where the term “wage slave” comes from, because while we are on the clock we lose our freedom to do what we want with our time.
Then get behind the people doing 4 WFH jobs. Use GOOD examples to further this idea. Not people blatantly perpetrating fraud and acting like they’re heros. We need strong cases, not ones easily broken down and dismissed. This case is too easily in favor of the employers. Is capitalism shit? Sure. But you’re literal job is to be available during those hours. Hiding the fact that you’re doing another job using company time and resources, is fraud, plain and simple. If you didn’t think it was fraud, would you have hidden it?
Read the actual articles detailing what they did. It was fraud. If you legit think this is ok, then you are advocating for lying and cheating to get what you want, which, I dunno, I thought that was EXACTLY what you despised about the capitalists.
So funny how the oppressed always wants to become the oppressor. You’re not arguing for a better world, just one where you “get yours”.
Well Fargo fired people for working a second job ON COMPANY TIME, USING COMPANY RESOURCES AND COMPUTERS.
THIS IS FRAUD.
They abso-fucking-lutely deserved this. Don’t get behind this story and act like it’s employers being shitty when it was employees faking working their main job using mouse/keyboard idlers to work a second job during time they were being paid by the first job for, using resources provided by the first job.
Work 2 jobs separately? Big whoop. Being paid for your time to do a job and you do a completely different job in that time using your employers resources? Hell, be glad they didn’t sue you.
Get behind real issues, not this. This just makes you look like the reddit anti work mod who got interviewed and complained that they couldn’t support themselves as a dog walker for 2 hours a week. It makes YOU look unreasonable.
I reread the article again. I did see anything mentioned about employees working 2nd jobs on company time, nor was it among the reasons they were fired.
This is like the 3rd version of the article at this point. It’s mentioned in other articles. What is mentioned in this one is they used devices to pretend to be active during times they were expected to be. You know, fraud.
Yeah! Like this! https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wells-fargo-agrees-pay-3-billion-resolve-criminal-and-civil-investigations-sales-practices#:~:text=Wells Fargo %26 Company and its,to provide millions of accounts
Oh wait.
it literally says they were fired for using a mouse jiggler.
However, I live in a so-called right-to-work state, which means my employer can do whatever the fuck they like - but the flip side is - so can I.
The contract I signed doesn’t mention which or how many hours I work, just that I don’t disclose privileged information to competitors.
Right to work laws have nothing to do with at-will employment, which it what you’re describing. Right to work laws prevent unions from collecting dues from non-union members. That’s all.
Before anyone jumps on and says right to work laws prevent union shops from requiring membership in a union as a condition of employment, that was the Taft-Hartley act of 1947.
ok fair, I meant - via synecdoche - the cluster of (or lack of) employment laws that make things flexible for employers works both ways.
It is very different in countries with strict employment laws
Sorry, I’m usually a bit more tactful! I’m not trying to criticize, just inform.
Lmao that’s not how “right to work” works. That’s how having a contract works lmao
I’m not even mad at the employers to be fair. The problem is that so many jobs are just busy-work that exists because as a society we can’t imagine decoupling labour from subjugation.
Cool, that wasn’t this.
They used company computers to do another companies work. That’s theft. Just like you want to comment on wage theft and the like, this is employee theft. Now, if you want to argue that it’s justified, that’s one thing. But don’t reframe this as “well they were just doing nothing anyways”. No, they used computers and resources that explicitly weren’t theirs for their own benefit. Sounds A LOT like the wage theft you want to complain about when it’s an employer doing it, but suddenly it’s ok when the tables are turned. Nah, it’s still an immoral act.
You are correct that in our current capitalist system, the employees were in the wrong.
The problem is the capitalist system itself is wrong.
The Antiwork community is here to as a counter culture to the capitalist/corporate culture that has become so ingrained in our society at large. The idea that a person is forced to stay at work for their entire shift, even during times where there is no work to be done, is a problem. That is essentially where the term “wage slave” comes from, because while we are on the clock we lose our freedom to do what we want with our time.
Then get behind the people doing 4 WFH jobs. Use GOOD examples to further this idea. Not people blatantly perpetrating fraud and acting like they’re heros. We need strong cases, not ones easily broken down and dismissed. This case is too easily in favor of the employers. Is capitalism shit? Sure. But you’re literal job is to be available during those hours. Hiding the fact that you’re doing another job using company time and resources, is fraud, plain and simple. If you didn’t think it was fraud, would you have hidden it?
Bad troll
Read the actual articles detailing what they did. It was fraud. If you legit think this is ok, then you are advocating for lying and cheating to get what you want, which, I dunno, I thought that was EXACTLY what you despised about the capitalists.
So funny how the oppressed always wants to become the oppressor. You’re not arguing for a better world, just one where you “get yours”.
Bad troll.
Also for those down voting me for calling out a troll, get a life. Look at their history. It’s all trolling.
Odd, the article says nothing about working a second job. Nor should it matter, especially if you are not paying hourly.