Electric vs Gas
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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.worldEnglish
    38·
    6 months ago

    Sounds good until you have to replace the battery. I want one of the rivian rts but they are still too pricy even used.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      71·
      6 months ago

      “Electric cars are too expensive!”

      “I’m only interested in the most expensive of electric cars!”

          • boonhet@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            Plenty of countries out there with lower income levels than the US, including much of Europe tbh.

            • sudoku@programming.devEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              yeah, but all of those 400-500 kkm cars get bought up by Kazakhstan and similar country importers.

              • boonhet@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                6 months ago

                I myself recently went from a '19 car with 220k km to a ‘05 one with 460k km because I realized my car’s getting driven so much recently, the depreciation is killing its’ value. For context, in 2022 when I acquired the '19 car, it had 140k on it.

                I’ll have to do some wheel bearings, brake pads, belts and pulleys, etc, on the old beater, but all that is way cheaper than the depreciation on a newer car.

                To be clear, I don’t advocate most people do this, I already knew beforehand what the engine and transmission are capable of. And if need be, I’ll even do engine repairs or get the transmission refurbished. The ONLY thing I’m afraid of is bodywork because I can’t paint for shit lol

                It’s not all Kazakhstan either. I’m in Estonia and half of those “200k km” German cars that get imported here have had their odometer rewinded.

      • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        My 2010 wagon has 180k and I can still take it to the mountains and not worry about finding a broken charge port on the way home.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          How the hell would you break a charge port? If you managed that then no vehicle is safe.

            • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              Oh, the charging station. Charging port I think would mean the port it plugs into on your car. Yeah, I guess that could be an issue, but it’s not really something that needs to be considered by a consumer. The fact that you’re much less likely to have mechanical issues I think more than makes up for the rare case of vandalism, which can happen to any piece of the infrastructure, for gas and electric.

              • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                6 months ago

                How is being stranded with no way to charge your EV not a concern for owners?

                And yes, potentially gas stations could be vandalized as well – except they aren’t, and charge stations are.

                • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
                  1·
                  6 months ago

                  It’s an extremely unlikely situation, and the same thing can happen with an ICE. An ICE is, in fact, much more likely to experience mechanical failure. For either the solution is the same: you have to get towed.

                  Luckily if it’s just needing a charge there are other options than a fast charge station. You can go to an RV park and get a faster than a regular outlet charge, or go somewhere with a regular power outlet and ask if you can use it. Either of those could require spending the night, depending on how much you need, but it is very unlikely to be required and they are possible.

    • ealoe@ani.socialEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      Yeah good thing ICE cars don’t have anything expensive that breaks after 300,000 miles like an engine or a transmission…

      • Sam_Bass@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Well, mine has gone through 1 set of rear axle bearings,one stupid oem heater bypass pipe assembly thst i swapped out for a stainless steel replacement, and two propeller shafts

    • Rookeh@startrek.websiteEnglish
      21·
      6 months ago

      Regarding battery degradation - I’ve owned my EV for 4.5 years now, and its battery is still at 93% of its original capacity. That equates to maybe 10 miles of range lost, from an original range of around 230 miles. At that rate, it’ll still be giving usable range in 10, 15 years from now. It’s even warrantied to keep over 75% of its original capacity for 8 years / 100,000 miles - if it fails to achieve this (likely due to some defect), it’s replaced for free.

      And when it does eventually need replacing, it can be recycled into something like a home storage battery - where the power demand is not as high, but still more than enough to power everything in your home for days. Meanwhile, the car can be upgraded to a brand new battery, which will likely last even longer.

      Edit: In fact, I tell a lie - I did have to replace a battery on my EV recently. The 12v lead-acid battery, that ICE cars also rely on.