• Murvel@lemm.ee
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    At some point immigrant children ceased to have proper access to proper socio-economic status and a parallel society developed which, Scandinavians being Scandinavians, the majority ignored

    Where is your support for such a claim? All Swedish citizens, regardless of ethnicity or any other factor, have free access to and abundance of social support:

    • Free Healthcare
    • Free education, including university (you get paid to study)
    • Free work coaching and multitude of enrollment programs
    • Free financial support for unemployed
    • Favorable loans and cheap student housing

    In Sweden, you do not get forced into the life of a criminal, it’s a choice you make. But in order to integrate, you must be willing, and therein lies the root of the problem.

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      In Sweden, you do not get forced into the life of a criminal, it’s a choice you make.

      No but you might get forced into the life of a perpetually unemployed, be looked down on by nearly everyone the whole of your life. Note how I said “status”, not just “money”. Noone lives for money alone.

      But in order to integrate, you must be willing, and therein lies the root of the problem.

      Again these cop-outs. What you say doesn’t even begin to make sense. How is someone willing or not willing the root of the problem? That people are or are not willing has causes! Find your root there, continue to investigate, don’t cut off you interest at the exact point where you can blame everything on someone else.

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        Immigrants have the same possibilities as everyone else in Sweden.

        So if it’s not their willingness to integrate, what is it then?

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          My god. I live in the country I was born in and even I can see that the odds are not stacked equally for immigrants. Sorry, but it’s hard to take your comment in good faith, hence the downvote.

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          I already explained why the possibilities are not the same. Are you going to address that directly, or just assume I don’t remember what I said?

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            You said:

            At some point immigrant children ceased to have proper access to proper socio-economic status

            What does that even mean, give us an example is what I’m saying.

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              Do you want me to explain what socio-economic status means? Because I already explained the access part. I also explained, elsewhere in this thread, that it doesn’t simply mean money.

              But long story short: It’s what long-term unemployed don’t have. At least not in current European societies.

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                There are long term unemployment amongst all groups in Sweden and systems in place to fix it. Why do immigrants stand out?

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                  Because they’re not as adept at having their criminality blend in than more native Swedes.

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                    Blend in? Wth are you talking about? And you started this with som socio-economic ramblings. I really don’t think you know as much as you think you do.

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          It’s hard to even know what to say to this… Everything you’ve been saying has been pretty disingenuous, I think it’s called virtue signalling.

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              It’s equal opportunity bro, everyone has exactly the same opportunities, foreigners are treated just as well as Swedes, the only reason they’re not succeeding is because they’re lazy immigrants ofc… So fucking whack.

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                Well shit man, you said it, but I never did. Seems you’ve good some defined conception, though, so feel free to share.

                Or don’t I couldn’t give a fuck really