They posted graphics calling him a "biological female" before he caved. Rittenhouse backtracked his criticism not even 12 hours after the online hate from his fellow conservatives started.
Thank you. This is a reasonable take I can actually agree with to some extent and I think gives me a different perspective, albeit it goes beyond the legal framework. I’ve also heard this argument before and I’m torn on this.
I’m curious: what is your stance on the Korean rooftop shooters during the LA riots?
So I’m curious --and honest to god on my grandmother’s grave-- what made Kyle’s position not self defense? Because the argument I hear from conservatives is that was the place where he (and I believe his father too) worked.
The rebuttal to this I’ve heard is that it was his workplace and he had a right to defend it (or at least from his point of view) esp after witnessing what happened with the riots in mpls a few weeks prior. If he didn’t work there, I’d say I’d agree with your assessment. Does it matter if he worked there and it was an area he considered somewhat part of his community?
And just to be clear. I agree: in my opinion this kid had no business being there with an AR 15.
First, he had no business with an AR-15 because he wasn’t old enough, but no, it wasn’t his business he was protecting, he was not and is not a business owner.
I agree. The way they struck that gun charge on the WI law technicality was garbage and he shouldn’t have been near any guns.
On the business thing: I agree. As an outsider looking in, seeing an employee going to defend a place of work is odd. But then again, I didn’t grow up in small town America so I’m not too familiar with the sense of community and kinship in those areas. I have no idea. All I can think of is where I live in small towns me have pretty close bonds and try to look out for each other.
I do think your take is reasonable and there isn’t much for me to disagree with.
“Can you demonstrate why it wasn’t self defense?”
That, alone, is super easy for anyone familiar with how self defense works.
Source: I have a permit to carry concealed in my state and passed an instructional course to be able to do so.
One of the very first things you learn about self defense is that you cannot initiate a conflict and then later claim self defense.
Rittenhouse was safe. He was in another state, 20 miles from the conflict, and chose to endanger himself by bringing a weapon into an area of unrest.
At that point, self defense should have been off the table. He chose to engage, that’s not self defense.
Thank you. This is a reasonable take I can actually agree with to some extent and I think gives me a different perspective, albeit it goes beyond the legal framework. I’ve also heard this argument before and I’m torn on this.
I’m curious: what is your stance on the Korean rooftop shooters during the LA riots?
The Korean rooftop shooters during the riots were definitely self defense. They were protecting themselves and their places of business.
I actually heard a good interview with someone who, as a child, was working for her moms gas station during the riots, let me see if I can turn it up…
https://insideucr.ucr.edu/awards/2024/05/18/laist-includes-carol-park-new-podcast-inheriting
Part 1 is about 45 minutes:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/22/1249394676/carol-the-los-angeles-uprising-part-1
Part 2 is a little shorter, under 40 minutes:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/22/1249399705/inheriting-carol-park-losangelesuprising-parttwo
So I’m curious --and honest to god on my grandmother’s grave-- what made Kyle’s position not self defense? Because the argument I hear from conservatives is that was the place where he (and I believe his father too) worked.
He was chased down
He fired warning shot
Indv 1 reached to grab his gun.
KR shoots individual 1
Thanks for the links. I’m going through them now.
Because he went there looking for a fight. You can’t do that then claim self defense.
He drove 20 miles out of his way, across state lines, to put himself in danger. That’s not how self defense works.
The rebuttal to this I’ve heard is that it was his workplace and he had a right to defend it (or at least from his point of view) esp after witnessing what happened with the riots in mpls a few weeks prior. If he didn’t work there, I’d say I’d agree with your assessment. Does it matter if he worked there and it was an area he considered somewhat part of his community?
And just to be clear. I agree: in my opinion this kid had no business being there with an AR 15.
First, he had no business with an AR-15 because he wasn’t old enough, but no, it wasn’t his business he was protecting, he was not and is not a business owner.
I agree. The way they struck that gun charge on the WI law technicality was garbage and he shouldn’t have been near any guns.
On the business thing: I agree. As an outsider looking in, seeing an employee going to defend a place of work is odd. But then again, I didn’t grow up in small town America so I’m not too familiar with the sense of community and kinship in those areas. I have no idea. All I can think of is where I live in small towns me have pretty close bonds and try to look out for each other.
I do think your take is reasonable and there isn’t much for me to disagree with.
Yea, all 4 of them forced him to travel 20 miles so they could surround him.
Talk to a psychologist today. please.
Where did Kyle work? Where did his father live?
Who shot Mr Burns? Where’s the beef? Got milk?
I’ll take questions that have no bearing on the situation for $1,000 Alex.
Why are you so mad when someone asks questions? Who hurt you?
His employer and father weren’t on trial for their MURDERS.
I’ve met a lot of dense motherfuckers before, they mostly couldn’t help it. I feel bad for your family, bro.
Why are you such an angry person? What did I do do to you?