Macdonald was told his options would be to accept services or he’d be arrested," PPB said. “Macdonald stated he would rather be arrested than go to the tiny home.”
The freedom to live in a tent and shit into the sewer system that feeds the water supply is the same level of freedom that gives me a right to kill people without repercussions. Sometimes limitations on “freedoms” are acceptable because society has a structure. They can choose to live outside of that society, but they clearly enjoy living in places like LA… so they have a choice. Either accept somewhere to live and get out of the streets, or leave society as a whole.
You don’t even seem to have a basic understanding of how city water supplies work. No amount of people shitting in the woods makes your drinking water contaminated; where the fuck do you think animals shit?
Edit: there are absolutely public health concerns to be made about human shit being around where people do things, especially non porous surfaces which don’t offer opportunities for decomposition. But that’s a problem to be solved with better public restroom coverage, even housed people will pee/shit in public when there isn’t a restroom available
For the record, Portland’s water supply comes from the Bull Run Watershed. The sewer system is a combined sewer system, so if someone does poop down a storm sewer inlet, it goes to the same water treatment system as everyone else’s poop.
That said, people pooping on the sidewalk is a legit problem. I’ve had to report a couple of poops that were pretty clearly human.
I look forward to a human world without humans harming others. It will occur when humans have eliminated themselves as a species, and that time might not be far off.
Until then, we can enjoy oppressing the non-conformist and mentally ill. People like Mary Barnes shouldn’t have been allowed to enjoy the freedom she did - she lived in her poo, made art with it, and ended up being a successful artist. Disgusting!!!
You haven’t answered my question. All those links talk about the problem of homelessness, not that they “abdicated the responsibility to make decisions for themselves.”
Some people prefer freedom.
The freedom to live in a tent and shit into the sewer system that feeds the water supply is the same level of freedom that gives me a right to kill people without repercussions. Sometimes limitations on “freedoms” are acceptable because society has a structure. They can choose to live outside of that society, but they clearly enjoy living in places like LA… so they have a choice. Either accept somewhere to live and get out of the streets, or leave society as a whole.
I don’t care about conforming to society. You can make me care about it if society feeds all hungry children. Until then, it doesn’t interest me.
You don’t even seem to have a basic understanding of how city water supplies work. No amount of people shitting in the woods makes your drinking water contaminated; where the fuck do you think animals shit?
Edit: there are absolutely public health concerns to be made about human shit being around where people do things, especially non porous surfaces which don’t offer opportunities for decomposition. But that’s a problem to be solved with better public restroom coverage, even housed people will pee/shit in public when there isn’t a restroom available
For the record, Portland’s water supply comes from the Bull Run Watershed. The sewer system is a combined sewer system, so if someone does poop down a storm sewer inlet, it goes to the same water treatment system as everyone else’s poop.
That said, people pooping on the sidewalk is a legit problem. I’ve had to report a couple of poops that were pretty clearly human.
Living in your own feces isn’t freedom.
You don’t get to define what freedom is for somebody else.
When someone is living in their own refuse, they have abdicated the responsibility to make decisions for themselves.
Well, yes, society needs people to abuse.
They’re abusing themselves. Society saying “no, stop it.” is the OPPOSITE of abuse.
It’s no different than grand-ma being a hoarder. Her kids and grand kids step in to make decisions for her because she clearly can’t on her own.
It’s just that, in this case, it’s society doing the heavy lifting.
Yes, conformity must be enforced.
When your non-conformity places you and others at risk? Absolutely.
I look forward to a human world without humans harming others. It will occur when humans have eliminated themselves as a species, and that time might not be far off.
Until then, we can enjoy oppressing the non-conformist and mentally ill. People like Mary Barnes shouldn’t have been allowed to enjoy the freedom she did - she lived in her poo, made art with it, and ended up being a successful artist. Disgusting!!!
Lol! What kind of weird ass argument is this?!
Can you back it up?
You honestly think someone living in garbage and shit is capable of making good life decions?
Because if they were, the rest of us wouldn’t be dealing with:
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2023/07/hidden-toll-of-homeless-crisis-portlands-prized-natural-areas.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/05/portland-announces-it-will-aggressively-clean-or-remove-homeless-encampments.html
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/homeless/security-guards-stopping-homeless-people-camping-old-town-steel-bridge/283-2558b928-4c8d-4242-800c-d348c128d19b
It’s bad enough now that there’s actually a cottage industry building up around camp cleanup:
https://www.bioonepdx.com/homeless-encampment-cleanup/
You haven’t answered my question. All those links talk about the problem of homelessness, not that they “abdicated the responsibility to make decisions for themselves.”
Excellent victim blaming, by the way.
If you’re living in the street, shitting on the sidewalk, yes, you’ve abdicated the decision making process.
I disagree with you and I’m done with this conversation. You haven’t backed up any of your claims.
Edit: Hopefully you won’t ban me for my opinions.