Since I left Opera when it went Chromium around 2005, I was a very happy firefox user.
The new update added a button ‘List all tabs’ on my toolbar, that I cant remove without some css magic. I tried, and tried to get use to it. I cant. It distract me all the time, I have no use for it. And I dont have the patience to do the css editing needed to hide it. Plus, this is the second time I cannot easily customize FF (first time was when they forced some round edge Tab for no reason and no easy rollback), so I suppose the browser is toast for me.
For PC. What do you recommend for a change?
I recall at a time using some browser build on Firefox , “BlueFox” (ed:WaterFox) or something like that. Are those still operational? I just need a my speedial customisable And all the menu button to be removed/added. And firefox addon: uBlock, Yesscript, Cookie autodelete … Dont care for speed, or whatever.
On a side note: WTF with those browser deciding what we want? They can allow us to customize any layout, so why force some fucking button I never asked for? I dont see the endgame
Well, in case you want the CSS to hide it, it’s this:
#alltabs-button { display: none !important; }Thanks. But seems that something they could allow to remove from toolbar, like every other button. The choice to not let the user do that, sound like bad news. That the main reason for the change… it feel their User can customize everything model is fading away
They introduced that button when they introduced the ability for extensions to hide tabs. Without this button, an extension could open a webpage to cryptomine on your PC and then hide the tab, leaving you no way to see or close that webpage.
Yes, if you’re a power user, you’ll prefer the ability to shoot yourself in the foot over this minimum of protection. But if you’re slightly more of a power user, then CSS is there for you.
Given that they introduced this uncustomizable button to allow for more customization, I really do not think it should be taken as evidence of them limiting customization…
I browsing the Mozilla forum right now. Seems they already had an arrow pointing downward doing the same job, but more discret. Plus you could hide it with about:config. Seems a lot of people are unhappy with the new uncustomizable button. I think I should apply the Hanlon razor, and assume the new button is just here out of stupidity. And it will be rolled back soon, or be less intrusive, and be removable
I could imagine them combining it with Firefox View. That kind of does a similar thing now. I’m just not sure, if they’ve noticed this. Presumably two different teams worked on these independently.
Of course, that might mean that they want to make Firefox View less easily removable, which would piss a whole lot of people off… 🫠
If you hadn’t mentioned it, I wouldn’t have noticed it.
It seems easy to ignore way up there at the top right of my desktop version of Firefox, but you’re right, there doesn’t seem to be any easy way of hiding it.
Yeah it is fine, unless you have tabs all the way to the right… then it is surprisingly annoying. I kept misclicking on this shit, or loosing time avoiding it, when I need to move through a lot of tabs.
May be it is just muscle memory, but the no-remove feature is dumb as fuck
unless you have tabs all the way to the right…
Oh okay, I can see it being a problem now…
I use LibreWolf on my personal computer and Waterfox on my work laptop. Both are leagues better than standard Firefox.
Thanks. I will try LibreWolf. The name is promising EDIT: and MS try to prevent me to install it, which is the best endorsement you can give me MS
I would recommend waiting at least one more release. This might be just the type of change where they were so focused on all the different states between vertical and horizontal tabs, collapsed or not, etc., and just forgot about the situation where you want the button to not be there.
By now they’ve probably had a bunch of bug reports about it, and might focus on adding that functionality in the next release, just four weeks later.
You are right. I will wait. I start getting used to it (less infuriated each time my eye catch that ugly button, at least). Still pretty stupid to have that huge button on my toolbar… now that I think about it , it even take the place of one more visible tab
Waiting pays off!
Fixed an issue where the “List all tabs” button was not able to be moved from the toolbar. (Bug 1918681)
great! good FF!
And they get it back to a small downward arrow… which was here prior, and never bothered me.
The problem with the new button was it size, and the fact it looked like a tab on its own.
“bluefox” might’ve been Waterfox
there’s also Ghostery, Floorp, and Zen
I use Mull on mobile
Yes WaterFox, thanks for reminding me. It seems there was another one , I cant recall , that was known to be very lightweight
Desktop or mobile?
I’ve recently started using Floorp and I like it a lot. It’s a Firefox fork with more customization options and improved privacy (though not to the level of Librewolf). I don’t remember if it has the button you want to remove since I’ve never used that feature or cared about it.
Finnic, mulvad, icefox off the top of my head
I am currently testing out Zen browser, and it seems fine. I am not sure how much it can be customized vis-a-vis Firefox, but I wanted something that remains Gecko based and relatively close to FireFox, and it seems to deliver.
I tried LibreWolf, but I quickly realized it’s not for me. Not allowing websites to detect dark mode preferences is a level of paranoia I hope I’ll never reach.
Thanks, Just installed it. Doesnt seems to have an import option from firefox, only Edgme, Chrome and IE.
EDIT: NeverMind: I imported the files by hand.
EDIT2 : uninstalled: Their “core design” is having Tab to the left. May make sense on small device. On PC , I need to be see the name of my tab at a glance. So I need them horizontally
Gosh, I didn’t realize the tabs couldn’t be set to horizontal. That’s a likely deal breaker for a lot of people.
I figured I’d give vertical tabs a chance (I usually keep too many tabs open to see their name anyway, and I understand the rational behind them), but not at all sure I’ll stick with it. Hopefully they’ll add support for horizontal tabs soon.
I came upon one post from them saying : vertical tab is “core design” we wont change it, or remove it. Bold statement, if not a wrong one.
I’m happy to have it as the default behaviour, as long as it can be easily changed. Similar to Vivaldi I guess.
