cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22480022
[contains links to several eyewitness videos]
Common Dreams Staff
Nov 09, 2024
“There’s only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures and the Dutch.” – Nigel Powers
This article also fails to tell the whole story. There were still riots days later when the Maccabi fans have left already. The following article seems to be balanced.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/europe/amsterdam-riot-police-soccer-violence-intl/index.html
MSM is garbage propaganda.
Inclusive of this publication.
I don’t think commondreams counts as mainstream media
Daily more stuff comes out. Like the fans against the taxi drivers, turns out the taxi drivers instigated, maybe because of the flag incident the day before… who knows yet. The investigation is in full swing. But then no need for truth when there is a narrative to be sold… By both sides!
Regardless of what specifically happened, the tension in Dutch society surrounding marrokan youths might have gotten the final nudge by the last few days. This is the thing our current government has probably been waiting on to use it as a cudgel to enact some harsh laws.
We’re talking people who are 3rd and 4th generation after migration to the Netherlands who might get their passports revoked and deported. The fact that the marrokan law states you are always Marokkan and have a passport makes this possible.
Regardless of how you feel about the whole string of incidents, fanning the flames from the outside will make things a lot worse. And I don’t mean for the Maccabi supporters.
Don’t forget that they don’t call these people Dutch. They like a to pretend they’re “guests” in the country.
Well these kids say that about themselves too.
And the stuff that came out today about the telegram groups of these guys, talking about hunting Jews.
It’s shitty all around. No one needs to tell me soccer supporters are grade A assholes (Yess all of them) all soccer matches should feature a post match ability for all supporters to go onto the pitch and we should televise that on pay per view to balance the budget.
It’s a systemic issue going back decades. To me, it seems the Dutch government always wants to fix it with a hammer. Repeatedly. Discrimination increases, no REAL effort for integration is made (forcing people to take totally-not-racist “civic integration exams” is not an effort), and over the years the divide increases. Tell people they are monsters long enough, and that’s what they’ll become. But no one wants to hear that fixing it would take years or even decades of sustained effort and change. They just want it fixed. And fixed now.
There is no one magic bullet solution, unfortunately. And then it all comes to a head with the events in Amsterdam. The instigators need to be arrested and tried, but society needs to take a close look at what caused this to happen to begin with. And I doubt that will happen. Just more hammers.
The 1st generation… the actual migrants where never integrated… as the views of the time (by everyone) where that this was not needed. Since then the issues first festered and grew… once it became politically divisive the left and right parties started to both try and solve it with policy that can almost be subscribes as a pendulum swinging.
One side blaming everything on the class inequality and refusing to acknowledge that there might be cultural/religious issues at play next to the class issues. While the right refuses to acknowledge the class issues, only thumping on the cultural/religious issues.
Yes, that’s about right. The answer is somewhere in between
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