but as far as comparability goes, sandboxed services is always better.

Pretty sure you meant “compatibility”, which I agree with, since you’re running the actual Google software just isolated in user profile.

I think you’ve covered it all pretty well. Moving away from Google Services comes with tradeoffs that we have to decide how to address, individually.

For me, I’ve found there’s stuff I was used to having that I really don’t need anymore, things that can be accessed through a browser such as Hermit or Native Alpha (like my bank, The Free Dictionary and Etymonline).

Other stuff I’ll have to address through some self-hosting, like location sharing which was through Google Maps.

Hahahahahaha, oh man, that’s awesome

I went DivestOS, a fork of Lineage. I forget why, but I like it better.

Where was the topic change?

If anything, you’re the one being disingenuous.

“Pointing out what a moron this guy was is not the same thing as agreeing with Nintendo’s shitty legal practices.”

We know what these corporations will do, they’ve been very clear about it.

At a minimum don’t go advertising that you’re copying their roms and selling them. This guy advertised to the world who he is and what he was doing.

Is Nintendo still shitty? Yes. But geez, don’t make it blindingly easy to figure out who you are.

Cool, didn’t know about Dino, thanks!

Oh, cool, TIL!

Oh, yea, I’d just forgotten what specifically voyager used.

Distillation isn’t the same thing, because of controlled temps and the condensing process is a significant part of the separation.

For food you don’t really cook out the alcohol.

Chemist cooks have tested this. The alcohol cooks out at very close to the same rate as water.

No, you don’t.

They’re chemically bound and evaporate together in food.

I don’t have a link to it, but about a decade ago a chemist cook did some testing and demonstrated you lose alcohol at the same rate as the water (or so close as to not be able to see a difference).

In the end, alcohol doesn’t “cook out” to any significant degree.

Call bullshit all you want, researchers have confirmed this in a lab.

Rich?

So only the half of the US that buys iPhone’s is rich?

Or is it they don’t know what they’re paying because it’s part of the monthly bill?

Most of the iPhone users I know are in their 20’s and make less than half of what I do… And I’m far from rich.

I’ve bought used phones since 2013. The most I’ve ever paid is $150, and that was recently for a Pixel.

You can pickup a Pixel 4 for about $100.

Surely “most people” are paying far more for their phones.

Lineage and a fork, DivestOS are very close to Graphene, and run on far more devices.

The search for perfection is the enemy of good.

I’ve run Lineage for years on some spare devices. Battery life is so much better without Google Services.

My most recent device (Pixel 5 with DivestOS) is averaging 1.1% battery consumption per hour over the last day. That included an hour of navigation, using Google maps with microG services.

One old device runs longer with DivestOS than it ever did with stock, and the battery has lost 40% capacity. That’s how bad Google Services eat battery.

Plus Lineage permits you to use a number of old devices, unlike Graphene. It’s good, it gives you far more control than Google.

My final thought on Graphene - it needs to be taken over and lead by some professionals. Those folks act like stereotypical geeks of 30 years ago, arrogant, condescending (I worked with their type 30 years ago, and was a little like them then). They also denigrate anything less than what they deem “perfect”. The very definition of hubris.

Their attitude is “if you have a problem you must’ve done something wrong, why did you do something wrong”. Having that experience with them has put me off Graphene permanently.

Edit: I can re-lock the bootloader with Divest, so the condescending Graphene folks are just plain wrong about being the only OS that can do this. I don’t lock it, because my threat model doesn’t require it. The odds of my phone being grabbed by someone with state-actor-level skills being after me is non-existent, and there are easier ways to get the same data from me.

Didn’t you hear him? He said it’ll buff right out! 😆

(I’ll see myself out)

First, don’t buy new phones. You’re paying a massive premium to be first. Especially since you’re going to flash a rom, which has a little risk anyway (I’ve bricked phones by flashing, though not for years).

I just upgraded from a 2017 flagship to a Pixel 5 (only because my cell company decided to stop it working on their network, when I can throw a different Sim in and it works fine). I was able to buy 3 Pixel 5’s for less than you paid for your new phone. Which means I have a daily driver, a hot spare, and a test device for a little over $400.

If my daily breaks, I pickup my spare and swap the SIM, since I keep both phones synced with Syncthing. I don’t even have to login to anything because that’s all done. (I had 4 functional devices of my 2017 phone, they had become so cheap).

So pick a 1-2 year old model that you like the features, and pay far less for it.

Before (finally) coming to the pixel, I would look at the Lineage device list, then check those phones out at gsmarena.com and phonearena.com to see which I’d prefer, because Lineage has the broadest device support that I’ve seen.

Today I run DivestOS, a fork of Lineage with some changes to a few things. I forget now exactly what I preferred (I’d have to pull up my comparison spreadsheet), but average battery consumption is a staggering 0.5% per hour, with microg services installed and a couple apps using it. Consumption average increases to about 4% per hour when I’m doing a lot of intensive stuff - copying files over the network, using nav, watching a video, etc.

Are you sure they’re cotton? Synthetics tend to be more stiff than natural fibers like cotton.

I haven’t had stiff cotton anything since about 1978. Companies have been pre-washing cotton since at least the mid-70’s to make it softer.

Try washing and tumble dry on low, without completely drying them.

Research has shown that for the average person, vit D supplements are practically a waste as the forms they provide don’t match what we need.

You and I are special cases.

Sun is what the typical person needs, so their body can produce the forms of D they need.

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Name 3 doctor’s what?