ZOMG, are they doing…ballot harvesting?

/clutches pearls

I thought that when organizations like ACORN did something like this it was going to be the end of civilization and they had to be taken down with nonsense from the likes of James O’Keefe, for the good of mankind?

I do agree the zeal of the recently converted veg*ns are not very helpful in messaging. Wagging your finger at people as individuals for a lifestyle and notions about nutrition (“but where do you get your protein from”) they were likely born into/just accepted as a truth is not too helpful. Yelling at people for a dab of honey or egg or butter in something served to them…not really helping. Who has ever had their mind changed by such behaviors? If anything, this will make people double down in their delusions about how the SAD is good for them.

Yes, most animal proteins are probably setting you up for diabetes, cancer, heart disease. And it’s not really hard to discern this from looking at the evidence. Honest actors in the medical profession are already saying this, if they aren’t compromised by the SAD industry complex. They are, IMHO, not saying it nearly enough. Far too many people still think they need “protein” (in their minds, meaning dead flesh which also happens to have lots and lots of fat, too, but they don’t call this “a fat”, they call it “a protein”, lol) to live.

In my opinion, if you compare the crazy levels of animal protein consumption in America with the arc of Big Tobacco and the levels of denialism also associated with it, we are maybe in the 1980s phase - when everyone but the most reactionary knew that using tobacco AND secondary smoke were life-threatening, but just before much was being done about it - the bans on indoor smoking only started in the late 1980s.

Many people are starting to wake up from the Big Tobacco-esque levels of carnist propaganda…we’ll see what action is going to be taken by governments, institutions, etc…

If nothing else - your health.

It also explains why Big Dairy was trying to make almond milk be labeled “nut juice” and protect the term “milk”.

I really do think the SAD will be one of the last things to fall in our path toward progression - and that’s assuming we steadily progress. Seeing donnie and his supporters doesn’t exactly lead me to believe that about ~30% of this country wants any progress. The reactionaries have been doing nearly all they can to deride, mock and hold back any and all forms of reduction of our ridiculous levels of consumption of dairy and dead flesh for years and years. I even still run into some of them that think being a (male) vegetarian will turn you into a woman or something, because “protein”, LOL.

There is a lot of propaganda to overcome on the path to getting Americans to eat a properly healthy diet AND to curb the massive global warming from their current diet already - and dumb fad diets like eating all-steak like Peterson or the “paleo” diet are not helping at all.

When it comes to progress, the SAD will be one of the last things to fall, IMHO.

Even swapping out the same thing by creating clean meat has the anti-woke warriors all aflame and clutching their pearls about how they’ll all turn into “soy boys” if they aren’t killing something in order to “get their protein”…imagine going full plant-based, my word.

Yesterday, I saw a few of donnie’s loyalists standing out on a corner at a place with steady traffic, trying to get cars and pedestrians to honk/give them a thumb’s up. In the hot sun. No idea if they were paid or not. They were way up in years and probably could be doing almost anything else but that. But these people love dimbulb donnie, no matter how much of a disaster he’ll be. The worse off it is for the country, they’ll cheer it on, as long as they believe donnie is going to hurt the right people.

Just made me look forward to filling out my ballot all the more. But definitely, everyone: go vote. Don’t believe the polls.

I spent my formative years in a very rural area, and that tracks with my experience.

Donnie has concepts of a plan.

He’s totally losing it. He was never competent for the job and he becomes even less so with each day.

And yet - this very weekend, I saw his loyalists standing out on the corner waving their stupid donnie merchandise and trying to get passing cars to honk in approval…

I don’t know of anyone considering getting rid of guns that would be used for pest control in a rural area. Beyond slogans and bumper stickers, is anyone seriously proposing that?

I think that the people in the places where nearly all the people live (urban centers and their suburban surroundings) surely can arrive at sane guns laws, taking into account the (valid) concerns of the few remote rural people.

So that covers gun laws. Is there anything that the majority of voters cannot grasp about how to govern rural areas?

Yeah, a lot of it comes from California. And Mexico. Why do you ask?

I very much plan on voting (this being Colorado, I don’t have to go anywhere, thankfully - and I can sit down and thoroughly read the ballot measures and so on and read about them, etc., and fill out at my leisure, then mail in. This is as it should be in every state.), just like most here on Lemmy (minus the bots and trolls). However, since I’m from Colorado, it turns out that voting for POTUS in Colorado is more or less a foregone conclusion.

In states like mine, that are not “battleground states”, our vote counts very much less when it comes to POTUS. Same goes for things like representation in both the House and the Senate for states with larger populations. The House is EXTREMELY tilted for the reactionaries, and is way out of step with the voters, even though they did indeed vote.

So, yeah, voting is important. I plan on voting like my life depends on it, even though I’m not in a battleground state, because those other things on the ballot matter as well. You have to play to win, as the lottos are fond of saying. However, there is no good reason to pretend that the system is not seriously flawed in some very important aspects.

The DHS reported on the extreme right being the biggest domestic terrorist threat ages ago. The right freaked out, as expected, and it was quickly played down.

But the DHS was right.

I love being an American; I don’t like what these so-called Americans - who seemingly have no idea what freedom truly means - are trying to do to my America. These people would be better off in some theocratic state, even if it means they stop talking about Jesus and swap to another Abrahamic religion. Their values are not American values.

Imagine being so much in a bubble of the Republican cult that you think it somehow normal to be scornful of fact-checking?

Why do you think they set out in the 80s (Ronnie Raygun’s admin doing away with Fairness Doctrine) and 90s (Faux, Limbaugh and his many imitators and hatriot radio) to work so hard to build their propaganda outlets that act as their sources of “news”? They were forever butthurt that the “liberal media” worked to bring down their Nixon. They were equally prickly about Iran/Contra being found out, too.

I’ve heard the magabrained who actually do go shopping for things like eggs claim ridiculously absurd numbers, or nod along to some other magabrain who is claiming absurdly high prices. They definitely know better, but they’ll go along with it anyway.

And then there was that “JD” Vance standing right in front of a sign for egg prices, lying about the price of eggs.

They are brazen liars.

No, we are infected with lots and lots of xtian nationalist bullshit and an antiquated system that overly represents them. We need a system that allows us to ignore them since they are a minority - and let them bray as much as they like, but utterly powerless to tell anyone else how to live their lives.

Nothing weird about this bunch of so-called “Americans”.

Republicans: “States rights!” States: Decriminalize cannabis, affirm women’s rights, sign on with the NPVIC, etc… Republicans: “No, not like THAT!”