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Cool, but when you dismiss or ignore these very real concerns instead of just using verbiage that acknowledges and accepts it, then you lose voters because they perceive you as a liar.
And I meant that Bill was president while on the plane.
Who do you think is leftwing? Democrats? Like status quo Dems? Like the 2016 presidential candidate Hilary Clinton, who is STILL MARRIED to Bill Clinton? The Clinton’s who funded the DNC in 2016 in exchange for explicit support by the party during the primary? This is something ALL lefties are comfortable acknowledging and talking about and we definitely want “girls girl” Hilary Clinton to be in office as a rapist apologist?
Like exactly WHO on the left is bringing up these topics when saying how unacceptable the Clinton’s are in tbe party? What established politician? Or is it journalists and actual leftists and progressives?
That’s like saying establishment Dems care about Citizens United, or stopping officials from holding stocks, or the Panama Papers. It’s the wealthy versus the people and always has been.
We can call out Trump’s crimes without ignoring everyone else’s. It absolutely disgusts me to read the interference ya’ll are running for literal rapists. And that you think it’s acceptable because “Trump is running for office,” is insane. No.
Trump is running for president, yeah, but Clinton was actually the president when this happened. The court cases are literally ongoing.
Yeah I think Clinton’s current victims actually find these crimes quite relevant today.
Diddy hasn’t really been relevant in a decade, neither was Cosby, should we just ignore them too? Video of Cassie being beaten was forever ago, who cares? Cassie doesn’t need justice, right? The American public don’t deserve to know what’s been going on either, which btw is tbe entire moral basis for journalism and the idea of integrity.
Maybe if you were victim centered with crimes, you could see why it’s concerning there are so many horrible rapists in politics.
And I voted for Kamala. I actually think as a woman and a prosecutor who was exposed to these crimes, she is a great candidate for office with a lot of potential.
Lol quote the rest of that comment or link it because I don’t see it
I have already explicitly told you I believe it because Lemmy is full of men who have no problem with rape, which is pretty fucking common.
Like your position is laughable - I’m unhappy as a woman regarding rape conversations, and I’m only getting downvoted because I’m not “smiling” enough in my comments. I’m sorry I have a bad attitude about rapists. I should really be nicer to them like you.
Well, there are things called upvotes and downvotes. So yes I, as an individual, have that opinion. But Greater Lemmy downvoted me and didn’t upvote me, so clearly the sentiment on Lemmy as a group is that Bill Clinton’s Epstein trips and sexual assaults are cool but Trump’s aren’t.
Lol certainly don’t mention that Bill Clinton was on that plane either, or else you’ll see the Lemmy version of the literal same effect, even though neither that man nor his wife are running for office and criticizing them is valid and protected speech. I am currently being told in another thread that Clinton’s abuse of power and thus sexual abuse of Monica Lewinsky is “just as bad” as the consensual cheating relationship Newt engaged in at the time. Even though no, one involved abuse of power and one didn’t.
No one in this country is willing to be honest or have a backbone. It’s pathetic. How about we don’t stump for rapists at all, no matter their political affiliation.
What? 13 years ago is still years ago
False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.
False equivalence arguments are often used in journalism[9][10] and in politics, where flaws of one politician may be compared to flaws of a wholly different nature of another.
Abuse of power (SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT) and cheating is what Clinton did. That’s different than simple cheating. Like my very first comment thoroughly explains this. If you are a man still arguing against me for this false equivalence, I’m going to assume you don’t care about rape and sexual assault. There’s a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE to the VICTIM if the act was CONSENSUAL or not. Hope this helps!
It’s definitely not dense at all to try to gaslight a woman into believing that sexual assault is the same as a consensual relationship just because they both involved cheating…
Yes, there is proof that in 2016, Russian agents did that. I haven’t disputed that.
The reason I dispute the application of this knowledge to me is that its wrong. Like I’m a literal US voter with an Only Fans that connects to my US issued ID. It’s pretty clear I’m not Russian. And given how antitrump and for democracy I am, I’m not on the Trump pay roll either.
They didn’t create this discourse. The democrats DID IT. Like Clinton literally rode on Epstein’s plane. That’s his fault. They literally had a conflict of interest with their donations to the DNC and running as candidates. That’s genuine issues they did. Criticizing that, engaging in the definition of critical thinking, is part of the democratic process so we can stop it from happening again. That Republicans brought up the factual things the DNC did as issues is just normal campaigning. Abnormal campaigns were the disinformation the Russian bots put forward which later directly resulted in American deaths when it came to COVID.
Do you like, talk to real people irl about politics? Most people irl aren’t diehard DNC or RNC bootlickers. Most people are somewhere in between. That you refuse to tolerate other political opinions besides DNC bootlicking shows how “informed” you are alone.
Do it, bitch
Eta: you can dish it but you can’t take it? Honestly collectively the dick size on lemmy must be a micrometer
But it wasn’t just an affair. It was an abuse of power. Afaik Newt wasn’t having an affair with a staffer. So it’s a false equivalence, you acorn.
while impeaching Bill Clinton for having an affair,
Okay can we stop with the whole “Clinton was impeached for an affair.”
See how this is the comment I took issue with and that’s what I started my comment with? Calling it an affair negates the abuse of power involved. As I explained ad nauseum. Just because you’re a man who doesn’t like respecting women, doesn’t mean I’ve been extremely clear.
It’s not reasonable, it’s just an easy talking point you go to when you get upset. Like it’s pretty thought terminating, right? And do you ask every commenter if they are a Russian spy, or are you not asking because you disagree with what I said? You claim I’m “interfering in elections,” - how? How am I, as a voter who is exercising her right to free speech to criticize the government, doing anything that would interfere in an election? Please elaborate how that’s not a baseless accusation.
Also, don’t you see how it’s a stretch to say that “Russian spies interfered in elections,” and then jump to claiming I’m somehow interfering in an election and ALSO then a Russian spy? Many other countries interfere in elections. What’s your evidence I’m Russian specifically and not, say, Chinese? Yet again showing this is based on reactionary rhetoric and not anything in reality or with evidence.
Also PS - I voted for Kamala. Criticizing Clinton is not the same as saying we shouldn’t vote for Kamala. Stop sucking Dem boots
OK that’s just like, your opinion, man
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Are you able to have reasoned discussion or are you only able to parrot reactionary speech when you get tilted?
? You don’t see how it’s relevant to current victims and current politics?