Why don’t they just let anyone in they? Why have rules on which people are allowed to immigrate and which aren’t?

Yea. You hope that the more centrist parties look at what the population are desperate for and will do anything for. And then you hope democracy works and people get to vote for that they believe is right. Hopefully that happens in conjunction with sane and stable leaders listen to the demands of the people.

Currently large amount of the people feel ignored or certain issues and feel only the fair right is listening to them. If they had anyone else to vote for I’m sure they would.

Well lots of countries have immigration requirements or points based systems. So it is obvious that countries already use means to choose which immigrants it wants.

This just needs expansion. You look at immigrants or children of immigrants that commit more crime than locals or contribute less than locals and you don’t bring them in. Because bringing them in makes the country worse.

It’s obviously an average but that is all immigration requirements are.

According to the BBC

Alongside policies for giving French citizens “national preference” for jobs and housing, they want to cut VAT on energy and allow under-30s to escape income tax.

existing promises on immigration, crime and insecurity as well as tax cuts to tackle the cost-of-living crisis.

plans to abolish droit du sol, the right to automatic French citizenship for children born to foreign parents

Sounds like some good policies no wonder they are getting loads of votes. The reduction in taxes always comes back to bite you and that’s probably a mistake but the lower tax for the youth allowing them to get started in life instead of being in debt is a great idea. I haven’t heard anyone have such a progressive idea.

You mean bringing in people like that.

A country could you know. Not bring them in. Issue is solved then.

If they are avoiding it because they are “afraid” then yes. If they are doing it because fuck Putin then no

You never really answered the question though. What would have to happen for immigration to be a problem in your eyes? I’m just trying to get you to open you mind rather than sitting on your team. Look at the situation objectively first.

No its basic supply and demand for both wages and for housing. If you have a limited supply and demand increases prices can only increase. Is supply increases and demand the same wages go down.

Denmark has run the numbers for crime by country of origin which is direct proof. But then places like Sweden also have indirect proof like now having to keep a record of grenade attacks when they didn’t 20+ years ago.

Or the everyone is just ignoring the issue.

Rhetorically because this conversation is going to go nowhere. What would need to happen for immigration to actually be an issue?

Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.

A lot of people, usually the rich that own businesses and land and can make money off immigration, say it’s not a problem. I think rather than choosing a side and ignoring the issues people should wonder what would be a bad outcome then looking at things after.

Pussy. If you not going to defend your family and your countrymen when it’s needed whats the point?

A lot of people have died to make your life better. It didn’t come for free.

I choose a supplier that is 100% green energy

Is that the guy that didn’t believe anyone when they told him the Germans were pouring through the Ardennes or was that the one before?

22 million people in the UK receive benefits. At some point we are better off moving to a UBI system.

Benefits that disappear when you start work just disincentivise work. The system needs a change and doesn’t seem to be working. Need something like tax breaks for businesses in areas with high unemployment. Or business that want to hire cheap exploited immigrants should be encouraged to first expand to areas that need jobs.

I mean grid as in utility built grid solar. Everyone uses the grid so everyone needs to pay for it. But mass development of solar in a field is always going to be cheaper way of building solar than niche solar panel installation on a roof.

There is no way you can get free solar panels installed on your house and connected up for free so there is a cost.

A large amount of this cost is labour. Utility scale solar has cheaper labour costs. As prices of solar panels goes down, relative cost of labour goes up.

I don’t see how rooftop solar will be cheaper than grid scale solar per mwh

Britain sold it’s empire and everything in it for cheap to the Americans all the while american manufacturing grew while Europe got destroyed.

WW2 was the best thing that ever happen to the Americans.

What’s the $per kWh for rooftop vs grid scale solar?

Communism is great. You can spaff as much money up the wall as you want. Doesn’t matter, anything you want can be done.

Then you wonder why there is no food in the supermarkets.

It’s weird that solar has become so cheap, especially in certain countries. China is trying to trade and give loans to as many 3rd world countries as it can and simultaneously it is struggling to sell all it’s solar panels.

Why isn’t China giving loans to 3rd world countries to build solar power plants?

It seems like a win win for Chinese panels to go to places like Pakistan and Africa.

Grid scale is usually the cheapest. I don’t actually see how rooftop solar will ever be affordable because grid prices are going to go down also.

Is the assumption that grid costs will be substantial enough that rooftop solar becomes the cheapest?

I’m getting a little more optimistic about liquid air storage.

Fundamentally energy storage doesn’t have to be great if energy is so cheap. If you would lose x amount of energy otherwise only saving 80% or 50% or even 10% isn’t really a problem if the cost is so low.

Right now energy is getting so cheap that these systems are now making more financial sense.