What you’re saying is often true…

But I just cant connect it to the article you commented it on

Narayan added that some investors were hoping for a teaser about a lower-priced vehicle, with pedals and steering wheel, that would launch next year. However, none was forthcoming.

Expectations were low…

The source is fine

It’s literally not…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_(United_Kingdom)

It’s been a shit tier Murduch tabloid for fucking decades…

If you don’t want people to be distracted by shitty right wing sources, the easiest solution would be using better sources…

Can’t have a gap on a resume…

No, they’ll just not vote like a third of the country always does…

Like, what’s the negative to do what the Dem voter base wants?

Why only move to the right for votes, and how does that lead to anything but the country moving to he right.

Only if you think Kamala values her unpopular policy positions more than she wants to be at trump.

I’m voting for her, but she’ll get more votes moving to the left, and I really really want to beat trump, so I’m going to keep making noise till the election.

Then I’m going to keep making noise, hoping she listens, because this shit doesn’t just end after the election, or after she takes office.

If she keeps moving to the right we’ll lose ground in the House and Senate, meaning she can’t fix shit.

And four years later we’ll be in the same spot, and her and the DNC will claim the only choice is being more conservative again.

So while I understand the frustration, this is bullshit:

At this point we’ve got little to do but hope and throw as much support as we can behind her.

You want to help Kamala beat trump?

Do anything you can think of that has the slimiest chance of pulling her left. As a bonus it’ll help everyone living in America, and lots of people outside of it too

When CNN was bought a couple years ago one of the biggest investors in WB (obviously a right wing billionaire) flat out said the goal was to make CNN more like Faux News…

And people are still shocked CNN acts like Faux News now.

The mainstream media will always want to drag both parties as far to the right as possible, because you don’t become rich enough to own mainstream media if you value literally anything over money.

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We’re fifty fifth out of 180

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

Well behind every other first world country

Everytime she moves right her numbers get worse…

But she keeps moving to the right, I don’t know what she expects to happen.

If she wants to stop trump, all she has to do is move left to align more with Dem voters.

That’s literally the opposite of what you did and that last reply was just insults…

Have fun acting like that, if you’re wondering why more and more people stop replying, it’s because they’re blocking you because of how you behave.

Then why even have this argument?

Because if instead of spending time and effort trying to convince voters to lower their morals…

We’d be better off uniting to hold Kamala to a higher standard, because then we’d stop trump, and get more of what we want.

I’m not sure what’s confusing about this.

He doesn’t, neither does Kamala…

So why get mad at someone who’s line isnt the same place as yours?

You can tell at them to throw their morals out the window, or unite with them and demand just a little more than the bare minimum you would accept

Why is no one allowed to ask for anything more than your bare minimum? And why would you risk trump to not help get more?

I don’t logically understand your position, I understand what it is, just not why it’s your position.

Can you elaborate on how this:

just speaking from positions of privilege because they don’t personally have as much on the line. I just find it hard to sympathize with that perspective.

Isn’t applicable to you wanting people to ignore genocide? In some cases where it’s literally their close family over there as the victims?

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But the same thing can be said for the people ignoring the faults of Kamala…

Especially when they’re just begging for an end of genocide, or fracking destroying their communities, or any other of multitude issues where Kamala and Trump have the same policies even though the majority of the Dem voting base disagrees with them.

It seems odd to act like the “high road” is the one where genocide is ok, when we could just have someone who was anti-genocide…

There’s fall less people willing to hold their noses to vote for genocide and fracking than the other way around. And very few people who are only voting for Kamala because her border, genocide, and fracking policies are the same as Trump’s.

The people that want that are still voting trump, if they told you that it would change your mind…

I hate to break it to you, but they lie about this shit all the time so even if they lose they win.

I thought it was obvious we’re just talking about Dems…

But I can edit that in explicitly

The American neoliberal experiment started in 1992 when Bill Clinton was president…

The prior (edit: Dem, obviously) president was Jimmy Fuckin Carter…

How do you think the Overton Window has moved since Carter?

We can’t afford to keep going with a strategy that clearly hasn’t worked for 30+ years…

The idea that doing so would lose some key demographic is clearly not supported by the data.

They wouldn’t lose significant voters, theyd lose a bunch of donations…

It doesn’t cost a billion plus to beat donald trump, but the more money there is, the bigger everyone’s slice is and the bigger the bonuses for personally bringing more money is.

The DNC isn’t being run to get Dems in office, it’s a fucking grift where sometimes we do get a Dem in office.

Just never one who’s political policy matches Dem voters.

Look at current DNC leadership, it’s not people that know how to win elections, it’s just whoever can bring in the most donations.

The result is ridiculously expensive and incompetent campaigns. The solution is clearing house at the DNC.

The people that dont even understand the electoral college always yell the most about just shutting up and voting straight party.

It’s what Republicans do, and it is a lot easier to live life like that, basic tribalism is what we evolved for:

Us good, them bad

They’re 100% right on the “them bad” in this case…

But half of that basic tribalism is never criticizing “us good”, which is incredibly fucking dangerous.

When do you think the last fair Dem presidential primary happened?

Every progressive I know votes in every election from dog catcher to president, but with how deregulated campaign finance laws are, how is a candidate going to compete in a non presidential year when corporations and foreign governments donate millions in the primary to the neoliberal?

Then if they do win the primary, they have to be at the Republican getting the same money, and the DNC and state parties don’t support them because they also take the same money?

Like, I get what you tried to say and I wish it was that fucking easy.

But it’s not as long as money is free speech. We can’t change that until we demand the party stops taking that money in primaries against other Dems, and backs progressive candidates that make it to the general like they back moderates.

The really bad part is when you see how they react when people point out Kamala moving to the left would guarantee trump loses…

Moderates have been doing this since Bill Clinton 30+ years ago.

They always claim nothing else matters but beating Republicans, and use any excuse to move the party right. When voters complain the politician doesn’t match the party, we get the above.

They’d rather trump win then progressives, so they point a gun at everyone’s head and say it’s our fault if they have to pull the trigger.

Hell, in 08 with Obama they did pull the trigger. PUMA movement had them voting R instead of Obama. It’s just despite controlling the party, they are a statistically insignificant amount of voters.

A few months ago all these people called us trump supporters for making the (still true) statement that Kamala has a better chance than Biden, and they were all saying Kamala would be a terrible candidate and only Biden can win.

They’ll say anything in the moment with no regards to what just came out of their mouths.