From my pov I think you’re repeating exactly what I said, but I appreciate the additional details.

My last point is that “the design life we choose” is usually dictated by non-engineering forces. A 12th century king can throw resources at a problem. A 20th century governor cannot, and doesn’t care to. They care about the bridge lasting until the end of their term limits.

Yeppers that’s the thought process. thanks for explaining better than me.

I’m considering most economic systems prior to…the last few centuries to be essentially slavery. If some random king owns everything…

Not the same as America’s slavery of course, nor is it necessarily legally structured slavery as existed in many societies, but nevertheless.

I enjoy the argument because it’s a taboo, so nobody has a good argument. Nobody thinks it’s a real command. Nobody thinks for a moment Linus even wants that person dead. It’s Just Not How We Do Things here in Polite Society. We say “fuck you, c-loving geriatric” but “I can’t wait to see you in a grave, old man” is considered different even though the literal words are irrelevant. The speaker likely has no real interest in fucking the other coder, nor seeing them in a grave.

This amusingly puts it in precisely the same category as like, grandma being upset that their gkid won’t wear a bra or shave their pits.

What, precisely, is the user-facing problem with this (the volume one)?

I’m not going to argue that tech companies change UIs and usually for the worse and usually dont fix them. I mean look how shit gnome is after it merged together the worst parts of windows 8 and windows 11. It’s awful. Or chrome’s insistent efforts to return chrome to chrome even though it’s point was being a low chrome browser. Or Firefox deciding that small chrome was too complex to support and dropping that feature. Or every bank turning their website into the shittiest form of single page app. I agree – all of these behaviors are not great. KDE gets and deserves credit for being the same clunker with tiny incremental improvements it’s been for years. I saw in kde6 they rounded some buttons? Good for them!

Experienced having more than one way to change the volume? Or you’ve looked into the source of kde and confirmed there aren’t old sliders sneaking around taking up 3 kB of space?

I don’t know what randomly selected one-off failure you’re referring to.

I’m referring to the daily experience of clunk from kde or the smooth glidey uselessness of gnome.

You seem very intent on convincing multiple people we are more inconvenienced than we feel.

I think you are missing the feeling of smug superiority that comes from defeating the feeble multi-million dollar attempts to punish us…with 5 mouse clicks. So on the surface level it might be an inconvenience, but you step into the actual activity and boom, we’re telling these dumbasses to fuck off. And that’s fun.

Yep

It’s like when YouTube finds a way to show you an ad, and then you go to ublock and update filters and boom fixed.

Oh no Italy is requiring something unenforceable, hopefully nobody from other countries ignores this and provides VPN access unhindered.

Linux has always worked ok. It’s the desktop environments that are unpolished. And the driver model.

But did you read the exchange this conversation is about? It sounds like you’re operating on month-old headlines.

Why? Are you concerned that the date/time widget author is going to kill themselves? Or do you just not like the concept and don’t think people should talk about it? Something else?

One of those options is unlikely and the other is just a taboo.

Don’t threaten me with a good time

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It’s not for them

It’s for us

It’s Forbes, it’s hypercapitalist. Those people you listed are actually successful from forbes’ pov. After all, they got rich and got out. (Caveats like Holmes et al, but also real stallar performance from silicon valley bank).

It doesn’t mean she’s definitely a hypercapitalist con-artist or nazi.

More likely, sure, but it sounds like she did a lot of work in the public space which drops the chance of Nazi down significantly and con artist down to…hold up, which year was this?

Every generation is peddled two insane concepts:

When they are young, they are told that they have a weird bizarre vernacular which sounds stupid to everyone else.

Then when they are old, they are told young people have a weird bizarre vernacular which sounds stupid to everyone else.

Then you die.

Labor was free because of slavery, so the economics were not the same. Current engineering has the concept of “over engineering” which is what cracked-up addicts in wall street call “building to last”, due to the “expense” of not being shortsighted on a quarter by quarter basis.