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    It takes two to tango. No-one is holding a gun to her head or shackling her in chains up to DiCaprio. This is 100% her decision.

    And for anyone who then claims, “but she’s not 21, she’s not even legally an adult!!!1!”… how can you possibly call yourself a feminist if you’re going to absolve adult women of personal responsibility? You’re reducing these women to the state of children or the intellectually disabled who cannot make and follow through with decisions of their own, and need to be “taken care of” like cattle or property.

    And that is massively misogynistic.

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    I wish I could throw stones on this but if I was an international A list celebrity with many millions of dollars and some of the worlds most attractive women, women so attractive that they are professionally attractive regularly wanted to date me I cant say 100% that Id behave any better.

    I mean, the man engages in consential relationships with women of legal age and so far I havent heard any allegations of domestic violence, sexual assault, underage shenanigans or P Diddy shit.

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      If you value attractiveness above all else, sure. I like my life partner to be a similar level of maturity and to have similar life experiences. It’s not illegal, but it’s telegraphing a lot about his values and mindset.

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        I know what you mean. I’m currently dating someone 6 years younger than me, and while we’re both technically Millennials, I have so many childhood experiences that she simply cannot relate to. She doesn’t know any 90s references, never had to use dial-up internet, and her first gaming system was a Wii. Some of my high school memories are her middle school memories, but for the most part she relates more to Gen Z than I ever could.

        I love her but I wish we were closer together in age.

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        Ya it’s pretty clear he just wants to fuck. I guess that’s cool and all. But surely there is more to life than just fucking? Shrug what do I know.

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      I agree. Plus he dates them. He’s not one night standing them. Who cares, let them live.

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        Like, meme about it all you like but maybe pull up short of the pedo accusations.

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          Pedo accusations are dilatory… Focus on actually pedos, get the wood chipper going.

          Calling Two audlts fucking pedophilia is hurting actual victims. False accusations have socialtal cost.

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      I mean he was at Diddy parties so there is time, but I tend to agree they’re all adults and although I find it weird they can do what they want.

      I find it weird because aside from sex, you really have nothing in common with teenagers once you hit a certain age.

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        In a weird way, he probably has more in common with a model who travels the world, goes to fancy parties and fashion shows than most other people. They probably move in very similar circles and live closer lives than you or I do to them.

        “It sucks being pretty and rich”

        “Oh I know, want to go eat literally anywhere because we dont need to make reservations or worry about what it costs because I’m Leonardo DiCaprio?”

        “I’m a 19yo model, I dont eat. But Hugo Boss told me about a boutique cafe hidden in a laundromat that does glacial diet waters”

        “Was that at the Milan thing after I got done shooting in Venice?”

        “No, Prague remember, we were talking about where to stay in Monaco after fashion week in London.”

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      I get the consent points. The thing that makes this problematic to me is the inherent power dynamic in this kind of dating.

      A couple years after college, I was underway in my career, and I was dating someone who was still in school. Even with only a few years apart, that difference in where we were in our lives made a very uncomfortable power dynamic. It occasionally left me feeling like a father figure rather than an equal partner. I can only imagine how that would be even more significant now that I’ve had a successful career for over a decade, if I were dating an 18 year old now.

      This lends the thought to me: what kind of person would seek out a relationship with that kind of dynamic instead of seeking someone who can be an actual partner? I can’t think of anything that doesn’t logically lead to conclusions in the vicinity of abuse.

      If it’s not really a relationship, but a consensual casual thing, then it seems less concerning to me. But if it’s truly dating and an attempt to build a true relationship rather than being transactional, it certainly feels ethically darker to me.

      I don’t really care about Leo in particular, but the general concept of dating younger people seems like it opens an ethical gray area where my opinions are uncertain, or at least very situational.

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        Oh if it was my daughter Id definitely be less than ok with it, If it was Leo and a random 19yo “girl” i’d feel that was very questionable. But its two famous people I hardly give a fuck about…

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      Men being attracted to young girls and those girls being attracted to succesful men is nothing new. Its been like that thorought the entire human history. It’s in our genes. Just like enjoying high-caloric food.

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      There’s a lot of very attractive older women though. Arguably more attractive, imo. Not that I really care who DeCaprio dates as long as they’re adults; it’s just kind of weird and funny he only dates women under 25.

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    Models are nuts. Are those real pictures of her? Because she looks insanely old for 18. I’m 40, and I don’t think I look as old as she does!

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    I don’t know whether I’m on the side of

    • He’d probably go lower if he could (which doesn’t seem unlikely given his dating history BUT it’s also a complete hypothetical)

    • He’s a consenting adult, they’re a consenting adult, so what’s the big deal?

    Conflicted feelings. I certainly wouldn’t date someone half my age (or even lower in Leo’s case), but that’s predominantly for not being able to relate to them much - not for physical reasons.

    People may be shocked at this, but an attractive 20 year old woman is still attractive whether you’re 15, 20, 40, or 55.

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      Be glad he’s not going lower, cause many, many are. They’re just doing it out of sight.

      Also, this is a transactional relationship. The woman is getting access to high level directors and producers at the parties Leo takes her too. She’s not that naive.

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        Indeed.

        I was going to write another line about how to me the most objectionable part to me is that he dumps them as they enter their mid-late 20s and that it must hurt them emotionally, but let’s be real, you’re right – these women know this will happen from the very start. They’re going in with their eyes open. It’s a transactional relationship, and they’re fine with that.

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          that he dumps them as they enter their mid-late 20s and that it must hurt them emotionally,

          Anymore than when my college girl friend dumped me?

          I don’t see anyone posting about sunzu2’s pain!

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    I’ve always wondered if celebrities with much younger partners are somehow tapping into their life force and therefore need to replace them regularly. You know, kind of like a battery for life-leaching vampires.

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    Love when people out how sexist they really are. They’re two consenting adults but for “some reason” yall cannot accept that an adult woman can willingly enter in a relationship with a man of her choice and have to automatically accuse her of playing into some pedo fantasies, being a victim of an abuser, or that she’s just dumb.

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      Every thread about Leo and his current woman brings out the sexism. I’ve always figured it’s the incels who can’t get a date that figure woman have to be tricked, as if a young woman has no agency.

      But see, they can’t be sexist, because they’re defending the poor little clueless thing.

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      Yes, they’re two consenting adults.

      Just one actually has a fully formed frontal lobe and the other is a child by every other metric EXCEPT for the arbitrary age we decided people are now legally responsible.

      Age is more than a number as it turns out.

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        muh frontal lobe

        The fact that the brain stops development at 25 is a myth and has been debunked for a long time.

        In no other country but America would anyone call someone a pedo for dating a 19-year-old woman but we love to infantilize women so therefore it can’t simply be two of-age adults in a similar social group dating -they’re literally just dating - something nefarious must be going on.

        Just say you’re upset that a young woman is living her life the way she wants to, not the way you want her to.

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            What’s the misunderstanding here then? Because all I see is Ver. 3000 of the same Reddit-tier circlejerk thread that tries to make some argument about a celebrity being a pedophile but always, inevitably just ends up perpetuating the infantilization of adult women and robbing them of their agency.

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              The legal definition of Adult and the concept of adult as it pertains to humans is not a direct correlation.

              Nobody is infantilizing her by thinking it is pretty icky and gross for him to continue to pursue women who are just legally eligible for him to date.

              If you’re confused by this I am sure continuing to argue your point won’t make you look like you’re advocating for this sort of thing.

              Hope this helps!

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                Of course I’m aware of the differences between mature/immature and adult/minor. On that point I’ll say again that America defines one of the longest “childhoods” in the western world and that still isn’t enough for some misogynists when a woman ages out of that and starts acting like… a woman. Not one of us ITT know either person but I’m more willing to bet that Leonardo DiCaprio, who’s spent almost his whole life in the closed-off Hollywood Clubhouse is more immature than a model who at least attended “normal people” school, lived in “normal people” society, is less mature.

                Nobody is infantilizing her by thinking it is pretty icky and gross for him to continue to pursue women who are just legally eligible for him to date.

                But that’s the thing: they are infantlizing her. Every piece of criticism comes from her age which is perceived as being “too young.” To say that LD only dates women who are “just legally eligible for him” comes from nothing and is so insulting to these women, like they have no say in the matter because, again, it’s hard for you to believe that an adult woman has any agency.

                It reduces her entire person to just her numerical age. You need to look no further than the OP pic itself that makes it a point to highlight her age. Curiously, no mention of how old LD is, only this obsession with the woman’s age and that she’s too young. It’s fucking weird.

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    All these people looking at shaved / waxed beaver porn which is like pedophilia, judging someone else’s age legal relationships.

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      If you think an extremely common way grooming your body hair is tantamount to fucking paedophilia then there’s something seriously wrong with you.

      I often shave myself there too. What, you think I have paedophilic feelings towards myself - a man verging on 40? How does that even make sense?

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      Ancient Romans and Ancient Egyptians removed all body hair. Were they all pedophiles?

      My wife has almost no body hair at all except on the top of her head. She barely even has eyebrows. Am I a pedophile because of her genetics?

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        Am I a pedophile because of her genetics?

        Gosh this is a rare one but yes of course. Would you like to set up an appointment to turn yourself in?