First past the post is the real problem here.
How wish I could post my electoral reform copy pasta in every thread I commented in. I’ve been muted and banned in other instances for doing so. Haven’t really pushed my luck in .ml because I want to keep posting garbage content I find.
Perhaps I will be allowed one cheesy copypasta here as a treat?
Videos on alternative voting systems
First Past The Post voting (What most states use currently)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
Alternative vote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE
Ranked Choice voting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2fRPRkWvY
Range Voting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig
Single Transferable Vote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI
STAR voting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mOeUXAkV0
Mixed Member Proportional representation
I still point out once a week. Republicans and Democrats are the problem. Entirely ditch both parties and grab a third party that’s actually terrified of happening to them, what just happened to the Republican’s and Democrats and taking our country back from the damn thieves.
But I guess with eye sight like that, you would have trouble seeing what’s right in front of you.
Well I voted for a 3rd party candidate in the UK election, how slow American elections are is rather amusing to me. You were campaigning this time last year and the new government hasn’t yet taken power. Meanwhile ours was all done in a few weeks.
We don’t need a third party. We need ranked choice voting.
Organizing quietly so as not to become targets for reeducation in febuary.
“Hey, let’s vote for a candidate who literally cannot win from a party that hasn’t done the necessary work to become nationally viable because I don’t want to be part of the two party problem even though if we do so it will guarantee that a felon rapist who incited an insurrection, stripped women of a human right, and illegally attempted to overturn an election will win.” - Dipshit 3rd Party Voters
Just as stupid as Trump supporters, as far as I’m concerned.
Well, they got what we told them they’d be getting. Why aren’t they celebrating?
The election is over, did you expect them to keep telling you to vote 3rd party when there is no election to vote for them in? Perhaps you noticed that all the “Vote Harris” commercials stopped too?
The best solution to the two parties excluding the left isn’t a third party, it’s for the left to register as Republicans and conduct a hostile takeover of the GOP in the primaries.
This can easily succeed in blue states/cities to start out.
I think the real problem was those that stayed home. Turnout wasn’t great.
Right here, what do you want?
They are still in Russia. They moved on to fucking with the German election now I believe.
Yeah, I wish they’d promote the Green party here.
But with our voting system they have to promote the nazis directly.
Which they are unfortunately doing very successfully, along with fucking Elon Musk.America, could you please keep your billionaires to yourself? They’re annoying as hell.
Can’t we just return him to South Africa? We don’t really want him either
He has US citizenship, so now you’re responsible.
Yeah but he lied on his form. So. It’s just a matter of bringing this to the attention of the authori . . .
Okay look, there’s a plan B that’s had one big success already.
Okay look, there’s a plan B that’s had one big success already.
And two big failures.
That’s loser talk. C’mon Go Team.
Elon is from South Africa. Also, if we could control them, they wouldn’t be billionaires.
I don’t subscribe to the notion that where you were born defines what nationality you are.
He speaks English, not Afrikaans. He lives in the US, has US citizenship, made his billions in the US, owns several US companies, and the president elect of the US lovingly caresses his dick every night with his wet, pouting lips.the president elect of the US lovingly caresses his dick every night with his wet, pouting lips
I will never not take the opportunity to repost them kissing:
This is so wholesome
I don’t subscribe to the notion that nationality is a real thing, period. I could just as easily argue that none of that matters and he’s “South African” because that’s where he was born and I subscribe to the notion that nationality is something that never goes away.
You’re the one insisting that he’s American for some reason. Maybe don’t make a big deal about things that are fake, don’t matter, and you have idiosyncratic options about. It doesn’t matter, which was the entire point of my comment.
It does matter, and he’s American in absolutely every way that matters.
He’s the ideal that the current American society and culture idolizes. Whether you like to admit it or not.he’s American in absolutely every way that matters.
Did you know that “Every” doesn’t imply “Any”?
It does matter
[citation needed]
They’re untrainable and we can’t get rid of them. They’re just like the *thump* *thump* *thump* from that one song.
i noticed the gaza campaigning seems to have almost gone now the election is over too
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Are you taking about Elon? The South African? The fuck are you on about?
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The only way to create a viable third party is to vote for them. America needs a third choice.
Someone expresses disdain for the democratic party in community
Get comments removed/banned for this
Don’t interact with the community anymore
oMg WhErE dId ThEy gO???
The Harris and Trump promoters also suddenly went quiet the day after the election.
What did you expect? The election cycle do be like that.
Trump promoters also suddenly went quiet the day after the election.
I wish
I wish the Trump supporters would go silent.
If you don’t spend your time perpetually online, they are pretty silent.
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No they didn’t lol there were topics about the election results immediately after, and for probably two weeks at least.
After the election, what’s left to say about third party candidates who everyone knew wouldn’t win, including the people who voted for them?
Isn’t now the time to start building a third party up to have a chance in the next election?
It’s better than pulling a Jill Stein and parachuting into the debate in the last couple weeks to gain some funding.
she announced long before the last couple weeks, but the media iced her out.
No the media did not “ice her out”. Green party has hardly any seats ANYWHERE in the country. Because they are not here to do the work of building.
The only people that got played harder than Trump supporters were 3rd party voters.
Or maybe they are? Maybe it’s difficult to get new people to organize and join and support a party that almost always gets ignored by the news media, or else is being demonized by the democratic establishment or democrat voters.
People will come into threads like this and complain about the Green party not doing anything for 3.5 years at a time but also refuse to join the green party or volunteer or anything.
I volunteer. I live in a state with ranked choice voting but left-of-center voters still overwhelmingly don’t vote for local green candidates. That’s on us Greens to do better, but again it’s difficult when there are so few people willing to get involved.
or else is being demonized by the democratic establishment or democrat voters.
The party that only exists to siphon Dem votes and help Republicans win isn’t universally loved by Democrats? Wow that’s so crazy, I can’t imagine why that would be.
It’s almost as if they were a primary reason Trump won the first election and became relevant in the first place. It’s almost as if the entire MAGA movement is only as big as they are because of the Green Party’s role in that first election…
It’s a total mystery why anyone would be unhappy with Stein 🤷♂️
Or maybe they are?
They aren’t. The fact that so many people seem to be disenfranchised by the 2-party system but 3rd party candidates aren’t winning in local/state elections across the country prove that 3rd parties aren’t putting in the effort.
Isn’t now the time to start building a third party up to have a chance in the next election?
. . . What’s your point?
It’s better than pulling a Jill Stein and parachuting into the debate in the last couple weeks to gain some funding.
Surely that’s the point. Well, that and to throw the election to the other russian puppet.
The point is the same as it was during the late stages of the election, third party needs a massive grassroots movement from early on in order to have traction by post-primary stages in the main parties’ cycles.
True, but they won’t do it because they’re not serious. It’s performative as much as it is spoilage. I’ll be super impressed if one third party is able to be nationally recognized with more than a token presidential candidate in four years.
The same thing Harris voters said. Talking about the loss and about the winner.
If those “green voters” actually gave a shit about getting their candidate elected, you’d hear from them for more than 2 months every 4 years.
But no, that was never the goal. Their goal was for Trump to win
And do what, canvas when there’s no election and get even more doors slammed in your face.
Yeah the green party isn’t campaigning in the off season, but neither are Republicans or democrats because nobody cares. Half the people only pay attention to politics the week before the election.
You know there’s more than just the presidency… Right? Right? Building locally gcssroots doesn’t mean showing up for the presidential cycle every four years. You understand this, right?
IMHO the local communities on Lemmy are still way too small. So you’re mostly going to see discussion of national or global politics here.
No. We can go look up right now haw many state and federal positions are held by green parties
I’m not disputing that it’s few. I’m pointing out that this activity would be practically invisible to us.
Then a 3rd party will never be viable.
Green/PSL voters are literally posting in this thread. Maybe you have confirmation bias.
Yeah man, like 3 people on lemmy are the ones who TURN THE TIDES on elections
My god, the insanity is real.
How about Jill Stein herself who shows up on the same timeline?
Yeah her 30k voters turned the tides of the election lolz 😂
She got 782,528 votes or about 0.5% of the popular vote.
You’re misrepresenting her votes by about 26 times less.
Why is that?
Wow, it’s almost like the goal wasn’t to get her elected, it was to make sure Harris didn’t get elected.
Lolz!
Man I want to know what you are on, to be so deluded into thinking that 30k people can literally swing an election lmao 🤣
You realize elections have come down to a relatively small number of votes, correct? Especially if those votes are in the right locations.
https://www.britannica.com/list/5-remarkably-close-us-presidential-elections
Still on the 30k votes again huh? No mention of the low turnout for Democrat voters? Or the crowd pushing for people not to vote?
Trump promoters also suddenly went quiet the day after the election.
Show me a conservative with their mouth closed and I’ll show you an America where everyone is treated equally.
Trump promoters also suddenly went quiet the day after the election
What the hell have you been smoking lmao
Oh, I thought that was because I blocked Trump and Musk in my keywords. It’s been a peaceful time and I expect I shan’t ever go back.
Nor I.
I don’t know about the Trump promoters, but a lot of the people vocally supporting Harris are very much still here, commenting about other topics. A few (but only a few) of the third-party supporters are still here too, for that matter (notable example: @givesomefucks).
That’s how you can tell they’re real users, rather than shills being paid to push an agenda: they didn’t go away when the job ended.
This thread is not about people’s appetite for political discussion, or whether they’re misguided enough to only pay attention to the Presidential election instead of building their party from local offices on up. It’s about whether they were ever legitimate at all to begin with.
What? Lol? What universe do you live in? Sounds nice
