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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
    114·
    5 hours ago

    You want more? Oh man, have I got more! I’ll try to stick to whitewashed sources you’d like.

    https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-738940

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna198961

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1290946

    https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/04/08/progressives-in-greece-reject-zelenskys-address-to-parliament-with-neo-nazis/

    • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
      91·
      4 hours ago

      I feel like nuance is dead for you. Black and white and whatever makes for justification.

      So, your statement that the country is Nazi and doesn’t deserve support is people voting for a street name to a guy they forgot was a Nazi like most of NASA in the US or many businesses in Germany and that there are more alt right groups acting up and joining civilian battalions which is true of Italy, Germany, Poland, USA, India, Russia, Argentina, Philippines, etc…

      You have taken a piece to willingly believe the whole you want.

      A person can be an abusive parent but a great teacher, people can be great caregivers but racist, countries can be invaded by others for resources while struggling with internal issues.

      I’m not sure you have a point here other than that because they have an issue within them they deserve anything that happens to them. It’s a false purity test cause nothing passes. When chickens do this in the wild they end up pecking each other to death trying to get the blood off each other. Do not have the same mentality as a chicken.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        113·
        4 hours ago

        In my experience, the only people who want to talk about “nuance” with Nazis are themselves Nazis.

        • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
          61·
          4 hours ago

          Back to pure black and white with you. It mentioned Nazi somewhere, so a stance against discussion itself. If that was about ideology I get it, no nuance to a person wanting oppression of others, but you are just using the concept to block the conversation on whether you are right or wrong to be able to pass judgement on an entire country.

          You use it as an excuse to not think critically and ease your mind on a complicated issue.

          It’s like you are using the phrases incorrectly to be devoid of empathy not with. Well I read your links, engaged to see what your point is and find it still to be nothing other than a false purity test to disconnect yourself.
          You do not engage with reality so I will not engage with you.

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
            16·
            3 hours ago

            The people who focus on the “nuance” of Nazi symbols always seem surprised to find themselves in league with Nazis. LoL.

              • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12·
                3 hours ago

                K. Try hanging out with people who wear traditional Nazi symbols, but explain it away with “nuance.” Find out how many turn out to be actual Nazis.

                • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
                  11·
                  2 hours ago

                  Duh.
                  No to your LOL.
                  No to your insisting on the deserved pain you seem to think justified.
                  No to your childish perceptions.
                  No to your lack on introspection and critical thought.
                  No to your thought that all must be damned for the sins of others.

                  The no is to you. I reject you. You aren’t even having a conversation and I don’t care about your personal held superiority.

                  • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    13·
                    2 hours ago

                    Oh it’s not just me. Most people on the planet believe Nazi lives don’t matter. Including Nazi adjacent.

    • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.ukEnglish
      61·
      4 hours ago

      I’m not claiming that there has never been Nazis in Ukraine. The Holodomor was pretty fresh in the minds of Ukrainians when Germany invaded and whether you believe it was an intentional ploy by Stalin to quell succession movements the USSR states or not it was definitely seen as one by many in the population. Collaborating with any invading force under the context of millions of your countrymen appearing to have been murdered by the state is frankly unsurprising.

      The people having streets named after them in Ukraine may have been Nazis but is that the reason they are being “honored”? Most articles across the political spectrum tend to gloss over the actual reasons. one of the ones you posted even says “The Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine [and presumably others] avoids mentioning Kubiyovych’s Nazi past, instead focusing on his work before and after World War II” so the answer to that seems to be an emphatic no. Would i personally rename a street after him knowing what i know about him? definitely not. but it’s not about Nazism, it’s about forging a national identity separate from that of their historic oppressors.

      Russia does not care about denazifying ukraine, if Putin cared about Nazis he wouldn’t have allowed this guy to become second in command of his chief black ops battalion.

      Ukraine has had problems with nationalism, but that does not a “Nazi” state make and the trend including with Azov has been away from problematic fascistic ideology.

      Russia on the other hand has been increasingly embracing fascistic traits. Wikipedia defines fascism as “a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.” Most of which are traits that Russia has comfortably ticked for well over a decade, Ukraine on the other hand has not.

      And still none of the links you posted make mention of “Ukrainian leadership declar[ing] themselves Nazis” as was your original claim

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17·
        4 hours ago

        You mistakenly believe my opposition to Nazis is support for Russia. It is not.

        This is not team sports. This is real life.

        • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.ukEnglish
          71·
          4 hours ago

          “I don’t support Russia but do exclusively parrot their talking points and refuse to accept that Ukraine could be a victim”

          This is not team sports. This is real life.

          Correct, and real life is not Black and White, it is shades of Grey. Ukraine has existed in the grey of history for as long as it was subjugated by Russia

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
            17·
            4 hours ago

            Ukraine is absolutely a victim. The US and NATO personnel responsible for toppling their government in the 2014 Maiden Coup should be tried and hanged. As well as those who have abused Ukraine for another proxy war with Russia.