Just FYI, most “gender-affirming surgery” in the below 18 group is males having their moobs removed because male boobs are usually a source of social problems like being bullied in school. This will mostly affect straight young cis men if we’re going purely by the numbers.
So like, be as bigoted as you want, but don’t pretend to be informed on the subject just because you feel like jumping on the right wing bandwagon.
Trans people are a small minority compared to fat teenage boys.
Obviously this is aimed against trans people, so there’s a clear difference in how it’s received and it clearly affects trans people more politically, but according to numbers most gender affirming surgeries are indeed on cis males.
Of gender-affirming surgical procedures identified among adults and minors, 1591 of 2664 (59.7%) and 82 of 85 (96.4%) were chest-related procedures, respectively. Of the 636 breast reductions among cisgender male and TGD adults, 507 (80%) were performed on cisgender males. Of the 151 breast reductions among cisgender male minors and TGD minors, 146 (97%) were performed on cisgender male minors
Puberty blockers are maybe considered gender affirming care legally, idk, but technically it’s the opposite of affirming. You can’t use puberty blockers forever afaik, but you can use them to delay your decision possible gender affirming care until you’re ready to make the decision. And with that sort of use, they’ve proven to be quite safe and effective.
But like, it doesn’t matter where you draw the line in gender affirming care definitions, but by the definition were going on based on this thread it includes hormone blockers.
How on Earth did I call you fat by pointing out that cis-males with obesity issues are far more common than trans people?
Guess you’ve some confidence to work on buddy, as talking about you didn’t even cross my mind. I pointed out a fact about gender-affirming care. Honestly, I assume that people are more or less closer to my age on Lemmy, so I genuinely didn’t consider that you might be actually a minor looking to get themselves some gender affirming care.
Yeah, puberty blockers are probably considered gender affirming care, but them not being included is just me being pedantic about the name. I guess “care which affirms your position of not being sure about your gender identity yet until you’re old enough to make one”.
You’re saying gender affirming care shouldn’t exist for minors despite not knowing the facts then when the facts are pointed out, you start screaming about me calling you fat.
Get off your high horse.
How is you supporting right wing policies being less of a dick than me pointing out your support of right wing policies, which might be because you don’t understand all the facts, not because you actually support the right, which is why I pointed out the facts which you took personal offense at?
Well you’re the one who went off on a rant on something I didn’t even bring. I was talking about hormone blockers and you went off onto surgeries. Then when I brought up how I also would have liked some gender affirming care when younger you said well there’s less trans people than fat boys. I never brought up weight, it’s another thing you brought up.
I just, you’re attacking me for trying to express my opinion. I’m open for civil discussion but you’ve been on the offense. If you have any points for anything I actually brought up that would be cool
Are you actively having a stroke? You were pretty politely informed and corrected and nowhere in the above responses were you attacked in anything but the most mild and tame interpretation of the word.
Then when I brought up how I also would have liked some gender affirming care when younger
You mean after you got angry at me, you edited your earlier comment to justify getting angry at me for quoting stats, as if I had actually made a personal slight when you hadn’t mentioned your age, gender, sex or health before my first reply.
“I was talking about hormone blockers”
You said “but actual gender affirming care should be left to when you can have a drink over it”.
So that sentence would include gender affirming care for cis males (which you hadn’t even identified as when I wrote those replies), and the gender affirming care they receive is getting moobs removed.
You wrote like 70% more text to your original comment. Making a wild strawman about how you should have been allowed to use as much testosterone as you wanted to, because you pretend that’s what gender affirming care is. (The doctors don’t arbitrarily give people bottles of HRT to use willy nilly.)
Puberty blockers are safe and reversible and we have lots of data to back that up.
I’m asking you whether you think teenage boys who may have issues with gynecomastia should be able to have them removed, or would it be somehow morally wrong? Should we make those boys go through their teenage years suffering from something they know they don’t like, so that they can decide about it when they’re “old enough to be sure”?
I have not attacked you once. I said “get off your high horse”. I don’t think that’s too inflammatory, tbh.
Just FYI, most “gender-affirming surgery” in the below 18 group is males having their moobs removed because male boobs are usually a source of social problems like being bullied in school. This will mostly affect straight young cis men if we’re going purely by the numbers.
So like, be as bigoted as you want, but don’t pretend to be informed on the subject just because you feel like jumping on the right wing bandwagon.
Really? Cause most people I’ve seen defend it, even in this thread, have been about hormone blockers and whatnot
On a statistical basis, really.
Trans people are a small minority compared to fat teenage boys.
Obviously this is aimed against trans people, so there’s a clear difference in how it’s received and it clearly affects trans people more politically, but according to numbers most gender affirming surgeries are indeed on cis males.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11211955/
Puberty blockers are maybe considered gender affirming care legally, idk, but technically it’s the opposite of affirming. You can’t use puberty blockers forever afaik, but you can use them to delay your decision possible gender affirming care until you’re ready to make the decision. And with that sort of use, they’ve proven to be quite safe and effective.
Wow thanks for just straight up calling me fat.
And I’m the bad person.
But like, it doesn’t matter where you draw the line in gender affirming care definitions, but by the definition were going on based on this thread it includes hormone blockers.
How on Earth did I call you fat by pointing out that cis-males with obesity issues are far more common than trans people?
Guess you’ve some confidence to work on buddy, as talking about you didn’t even cross my mind. I pointed out a fact about gender-affirming care. Honestly, I assume that people are more or less closer to my age on Lemmy, so I genuinely didn’t consider that you might be actually a minor looking to get themselves some gender affirming care.
Yeah, puberty blockers are probably considered gender affirming care, but them not being included is just me being pedantic about the name. I guess “care which affirms your position of not being sure about your gender identity yet until you’re old enough to make one”.
Do you even read what your typing? or do you just get off on being a dick?
Excuse me?
You’re saying gender affirming care shouldn’t exist for minors despite not knowing the facts then when the facts are pointed out, you start screaming about me calling you fat.
Get off your high horse.
How is you supporting right wing policies being less of a dick than me pointing out your support of right wing policies, which might be because you don’t understand all the facts, not because you actually support the right, which is why I pointed out the facts which you took personal offense at?
Well you’re the one who went off on a rant on something I didn’t even bring. I was talking about hormone blockers and you went off onto surgeries. Then when I brought up how I also would have liked some gender affirming care when younger you said well there’s less trans people than fat boys. I never brought up weight, it’s another thing you brought up.
I just, you’re attacking me for trying to express my opinion. I’m open for civil discussion but you’ve been on the offense. If you have any points for anything I actually brought up that would be cool
Are you actively having a stroke? You were pretty politely informed and corrected and nowhere in the above responses were you attacked in anything but the most mild and tame interpretation of the word.
You mean after you got angry at me, you edited your earlier comment to justify getting angry at me for quoting stats, as if I had actually made a personal slight when you hadn’t mentioned your age, gender, sex or health before my first reply.
“I was talking about hormone blockers”
You said “but actual gender affirming care should be left to when you can have a drink over it”.
So that sentence would include gender affirming care for cis males (which you hadn’t even identified as when I wrote those replies), and the gender affirming care they receive is getting moobs removed.
You wrote like 70% more text to your original comment. Making a wild strawman about how you should have been allowed to use as much testosterone as you wanted to, because you pretend that’s what gender affirming care is. (The doctors don’t arbitrarily give people bottles of HRT to use willy nilly.)
Puberty blockers are safe and reversible and we have lots of data to back that up.
I’m asking you whether you think teenage boys who may have issues with gynecomastia should be able to have them removed, or would it be somehow morally wrong? Should we make those boys go through their teenage years suffering from something they know they don’t like, so that they can decide about it when they’re “old enough to be sure”?
I have not attacked you once. I said “get off your high horse”. I don’t think that’s too inflammatory, tbh.