• Archmage Azor@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      This was the original cyberpunk-transhumanist message. Not “cybernetics will destroy your soul” but “corporations own your body, or worse parts of your body”

    • fades@beehaw.org
      2·
      1 year ago

      Wow that made me so fucking uncomfortable, from the serious adverse affects requiring surgical intervention, the company trying to shout down negativity and just leaving these poor people to continue suffering….

      It’s all so horrid, I can’t imagine the stress and impact

    • QuazarOmega@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      Well that’s fucking bleak, at least I got a good chuckle out of this

      NPM’s novel implant for drug delivery.

      So that’s how they keep JavaScript devs hooked!

    • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      1 year ago

      3 years later they’ll end the support

      I don’t think that’s a fair characterization - it sounds like they ran out of money and the company that bought all their assets didn’t maintain support. In that company’s defense, it’s really hard to maintain support for something when you’ve bought the IP but you don’t have any of the institutional knowledge.

      • sciawp@lemm.ee
        2·
        1 year ago

        Maybe it’s a hot take but if you are giving life-altering treatments, and your company goes under, you should open-source everything

        • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          1 year ago

          Would that even be legal? The company has obligations to its creditors and shareholders; simply giving away potentially valuable intellectual property right before going under seems to violate those obligations. And it’s the sort of violation for which someone might be personally held liable.

          I’m not claiming that a company can never open-source anything, but rather than they have to have a plausible business case for doing so. And I don’t see a plausible business (as opposed to humanitarian) case here… But I’m not a corporate lawyer, just someone interested in this sort of thing.

          Edit: there’s also the FDA to consider. If you make medical devices and you want to release the source code, you probably need to demonstrate that it’s safe for users to reprogram their devices (and it’s not safe).

  • FIST_FILLET@kbin.social
    141·
    1 year ago

    imagine physically embedding the fucking musk into your brain, VOLUNTARILY. i can’t imagine anything worse in the world

    • masquenox@lemmy.ml
      0·
      1 year ago

      i can’t imagine anything worse in the world

      I can… there are literally people who are willing to participate in Musk’s Mars colonization fantasies. They stand about as much chance of success (or survival) as those people who got imploded in that Titanic sub - except their deaths won’t be as quick and merciful.

    • const_void@lemmy.ml
      23·
      1 year ago

      People are still driving Teslas right now. Pretty much the same in my book. You’re trusting your life to a proven moron.

      • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
        41·
        1 year ago

        Elongated Muskrat has very little to do with the inner works of the company now. Even in the heights of his involvement, by his own account, his input was tangential at best, like “we make expensive car now, use this money to make cheaper car” and “we call it x because x is the best name ever”

        • Perfide@reddthat.com
          21·
          1 year ago

          Don’t forget “The Tesla Model series will spell out SEXY” and “Oh, Ford already claimed Model E? Model 3 it is, 1337!”

        • oddsbodkins@midwest.socialEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          The ongoing litigation against the company begs to differ. Also didn’t Musk step down as CEO of Twitter a while back? It seems his tangential bullshit has quite an impact. I’ll be honest I think the people actually working at Tesla do their best to try to moderate his unadulterated fuck ups. But they’re not safe from it and neither is anyone else who does business with them.

    • Zetta@mander.xyz
      01·
      1 year ago

      Well the disabled people getting this implant probably don’t care about musk, it’s legitimately a cool technology and good competition for the medical space.

      Musk is a cuck still, and I’m sure we’ll have to wait a couple generations before we get the dystopian stuff in Neurallink

      • Zron@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        I still don’t get how it’s at all safe or practical to have what amounts to a smart watch embedded into your brain.

        The surgery they want to do literally involves removing a piece of your skull. Falling and hitting your head without a piece of your skull removed is bad enough, this is going to seriously compromise the strength of people skulls. Which is especially bad when you consider it’s meant to solve problems like paralysis. I have a feeling that people who are just learning to walk again may be at a high risk of falling. Now they’re at a high risk of falling and cracking their skull open like an egg.

        It’s also charged with a wireless charger, which would need to placed on the device every night when you sleep. How many people remain completely still the entire night and don’t move their heads at all?

        This is a cool and valuable first step for brain augmentations that can probably help thousands of patients, but the implementation has so many glaring problems that it makes me wonder how well the actual product even functions.

        • eestileib@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 year ago

          How many people remain completely still the entire night and don’t move their heads at all?

          Anybody with sleep apnea who has a CPAP has solved a harder version of this problem. It sucks and takes a while to get used to but it’s way better than waking up with a headache every day.

          I assume that if the implant is helpful the overnight charging will be readily accepted by users.

          (I’ve got a peripheral nerve implant myself so I am quite familiar with what lengths people will go to to relieve pain)

      • at_an_angle@lemmy.oneEnglish
        01·
        1 year ago

        Yup. Gotta sell it as a medical miracle before you can sell it as a commercial product.

  • SokathHisEyesOpen@lemmy.ml
    5·
    1 year ago

    I want to thank Facebook for making it blatantly obvious to us that we should never get any brain implants. They’ll definitely use them to read your thoughts and push ads straight into your consciousness. Oh, and you’ll probably have to pay a subscription.

  • crow@beehaw.org
    5·
    1 year ago

    I’m not putting anything in me that’s not foss. I worry for the tech illiterate though when they eventually adopt this idea.

    • abraxas@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      I agree, I love the idea of a brain chip, but not if someone can change licensing terms on something that’s INSTALLED in me.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Are you going to be that picky when they’re fitting you with a pacemaker?

      I agree if it’s just something for fun though, although personally I’d err on the side of not putting anything in me at all thanks very much. I’m quite happy with my tech on the outside where it belongs.

  • masquenox@lemmy.ml
    5·
    1 year ago

    Musk is doing more to make people realize how garbage capitalism is than Marx ever could.

  • astral_avocado@programming.dev
    2·
    1 year ago

    Neuralink is an excellent advancement for brain science and it is greatly going to help disabled people and those with little function left over their bodies. It’s okay to celebrate this technology while also hating musk.

    Like SpaceX, they’ve both been excellent ventures that he so far hasn’t ruined (probably thanks to the people he delegates to). Just because it’s fashionable to hate him for how he’s absolutely fucked over Twitter (which i’ll remind everyone we’ve always hated and agreed is bad, use Mastodon instead) doesn’t mean his other companies largely spearheaded by others, and their results, are also bad.

    That’s not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn’t anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of. What everyones fearmongering over is still just science fiction. It’s just barely able to interpret brain signals, it’s not as powerful as everyone makes it out to be.

    2nd edit: forgot what instance I’m on, this comment probably ain’t going to do well lol

    • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      0·
      1 year ago

      That’s not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn’t anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of.

      Yet. They’ll get to work on that just as soon as they can, don’t you worry!

      • astral_avocado@programming.dev
        1·
        1 year ago

        The brain science and neurology advancements that would be required to get to such a point would be absolute mind-blowing breakthroughs in medical science and would completely change the world as we know it. The mental/personality disorders we could now understand and solve would make me so hopeful for humanity and the upbringing of welfare for everyone. This would without question be a good thing.

    • derpgon@programming.dev
      0·
      1 year ago

      I kind of agree. While I think they are not that bad as far as advancements go, most of it is shitstained by Musk, who has to be seen at all cost and have to be seen as the ultimate inventor of everything.

      He wants to be seen, stay relevant, and be the boss of everything, that he usually makes dumb decisions, which is a stain on a company mostly relying on a foundation of very intelligent people.

      • astral_avocado@programming.dev
        0·
        1 year ago

        I agree with your assessment except saying that SpaceX’s advancements are “not that bad” is a massive understatement. They’ve completely disrupted and forever changed the space launch industry, with the help of government subsidies.

        Everyone also forgets how Starlink is serving remote indigenous communities and scared the pants off shitty dominant ISPs that have been screwing rural communities over since forever.

        I’ll re-emphasize my point that I think the results of some large companies, which comprises the efforts of many many smart people, can have facets of it be considered overwhelmingly good.

        Edit: some more words

        • masquenox@lemmy.ml
          0·
          1 year ago

          Whenever I hear someone unironically use the term “disrupted” I just know I’m going to be hearing some capitalist parasite being glorified for doing something expensive that a government did much cheaper half a century ago.

          • astral_avocado@programming.dev
            01·
            1 year ago

            Space launches were “much cheaper” a half a century ago? You don’t really follow any space news whatsoever do you? That’s patently false.

            • masquenox@lemmy.ml
              1·
              1 year ago

              No, the entire space exploration attempt was much cheaper half a century ago - neither the US nor Soviet space programs wasted labor or resources enriching billionaire parasites. There is absolutely nothing that can be performed by parasites such as Musk or Bezos that cannot be done far better, more efficiently and more effectively through public means.

              • astral_avocado@programming.dev
                1·
                1 year ago

                Can you provide a source showing space exploration was “much cheaper” half a century ago than SpaceX’s current costs to getting payloads into orbit? It sounds like you’re just assuming it would be cheaper from your idealogical leanings than that actually being the case.

                A half a century ago the US and USSR were devoting a significant fraction of their entre GDP in the space race to blast people into space on some of the largest rockets ever built, mostly for national security and military concerns And that’s not even to speak of the “safety standards” they had and ignored in order to win.

                The later shuttle program itself was a massive MASSIVE expenditure and no one in their right mind would EVER say it was an efficient and cheaper per kg in LEO.

                You’re just straight up wrong.

                • masquenox@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Yeah, hold on… let me compare the costs of enriching a billionaire parasite piggybacking off publicly-funded programs that developed all the technology said billionaire parasite is piggybacking off with said publicly-funded programs.

                  No, Clyde, it was cheaper - because we actually got results other than merely enriching a billionaire parasite.

                  Your brain has been so addled with “free market” fairy tales that you might just as well believe a glass slipper will magically turn you into royalty. There is absolutely nothing parasites like Musk can do that we couldn’t do far, far better, much more efficiently and far cheaper through public means - and that’s it.

  • platysalty@kbin.social
    1·
    1 year ago

    In my teens I thought I’d be like the Major or Batou in the cyberpunk future.

    Nope, Togusa. CYBER BRAIN BAD

  • ScrollinMyDayAway@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    Fox Viewers: ‘Don’t get vaccinated because there are brain controlling microchips hidden in the jab.’ Also Fox Viewers: ‘I can’t wait to get one of Elon’s brain chips to own the libs!’

  • /home/pineapplelover@lemm.ee
    1·
    1 year ago

    Wow, who did Elon have to fuck to get FDA approval for a brain chip that’s killed numerous test subjects.

    Edit: Just a friendly reminder that ublock, sponsorblock, newpipe x sponsorblock, libretube, youtube piped exist

  • HippieSplash@lemm.eeEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    As someone who suffers daily from a traumatic brain injury 5 years ago that’s caused me to become physically disabled and cognitively declined, I’m super excited about this.

    • Comment105@lemm.ee
      0·
      1 year ago

      But what about the invisible spyware/adware(/mind control???) they’ll be putting in without anyone knowing by using threads and components embedded inside the chip?

      • TJA!@sh.itjust.works
        0·
        1 year ago

        Why should they hide it? They just sell it with ads and everyone who wants one has to endure them.

  • nicerdicer@feddit.de
    0·
    1 year ago

    I’m sure these implants will give much needed ease to patients who suffer frem tremors like parkinson and other neurological diseases. But the things I’m mostly concerned about are:

    • Will health insurance pay for the implant in a one-time-payment? Will it be a subscription model? What happens when you can’t pay your subscription? Will it be shut off?
    • Will the implant be operated through firmware (like a pacemaker) or software, which reqires frequent updates? If so, will there be - like computer software - “new features” implemented (“With version 2.0 you will be able to share your Neuralink experience with other Neuralink users. Your data may not be leaked, pinky promise.”
    • What if a certain mentally unstable CEO throws a tantrum that will affect the performance of the Neuralink implant negatively? Will there be any legal protection from such thing?