• JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Limitless growth of what? Limitless growth of time past is inevitable for example. Wealth can grow with increased comfort, so I guess to come to maximum wealth you’d need to achieve total human fulfillment. I hope you can agree we’ve got a long long way to go till that.

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      Wealth can grow with increased comfort

      That’s just another way of saying we should just keep on doing capitalism the way we are now.

      to come to maximum wealth you’d need to achieve total human fulfillment.

      Happiness, or human fulfillment, whatever you want to call it isn’t a state you just reach.

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          1 year ago

          You’re completely missing the point. Happiness, or whatever name you want to give it has very little to do with how much money you have.

          But again, infinite growth is not a thing in a finite system. That is a fact, not an opinion.

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            You think money can’t buy happiness? Somehow some rich people manage to still be miserable, but most poor people would be free to be much more happy with more money.

            Infinite growth of what? Is infinite growth of happiness possible?

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              People need to meet their most basic needs, doesn’t have to be through money. We’ve just set up society to work that way.

              Capitalism in particular, is an incredibly stubborn idea that’s difficult to throw away. And we’ve rigged the system to make it difficult (almost impossible) to give up.

              Hell, the U.S. is notorious for trying to overthrow governments around the world who don’t subscribe to capitalism, and the U.S. governments way of thinking.

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                Oh yeah, you could distribute resources differently. Money is just very effecent at matching supply to demand. Something like a UBI could retain that while decreasing inequality inherent to the increased efficiency.