As the Digital Markets Act antitrust law passed in the European Union, Apple has until March 2024 to let users...

Japan prepares regulation requiring Apple to allow sideloading::As the Digital Markets Act antitrust law passed in the European Union, Apple has until March 2024 to let users…

  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.worldEnglish
    791·
    10 months ago

    legislation is expected to be sent to parliament next year and focuses on four areas: app stores and payments, search, browsers, and operating systems.

    We also get Linux on iPhones??

    And the talk is just about sideloading… :-)

      • Caveman@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        10 months ago

        I personally can’t wait for open sourcing of mobile drivers / driver apis. That will finally allow stuff like turning off phone components for Linux mobile system and not have gyro for some specific phones.

      • doctorcrimson@lemmy.worldEnglish
        47·
        10 months ago

        Wouldn’t putting Android on an iPhone be redundant? It would have less features and capability for a higher cost.

        • lledrtx@lemmy.worldEnglish
          51·
          10 months ago

          Are you saying Android has less features and capabilities? Or am I reading it wrong?

          • doctorcrimson@lemmy.worldEnglish
            61·
            10 months ago

            You’re indeed reading that incorrectly. You can see clearly that I’m saying the iPhone with Android OS has less features for a higher cost (Compared To an Android Phone).

            The reason that’s implied is because I included cost, because comparing an iPhone with Android to an iPhone with iOS the cost wouldn’t change at all.

            iPhone has less lenses, lower megapixels, less zoom, and the charging cables are less effective or in many cases use proprietary charger instead of USB-C, among other things.

            • lledrtx@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              10 months ago

              Ahh I see, thanks!

              The reason I was confused is that I was assuming this is about older iPhones, you know, the ones Apple is deliberately slowing down. So installing a lightweight Android ROM could give them a new lease on life.

        • SnipingNinja@slrpnk.netEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          I would assume it’s to use the chips but that only works if they’re forced to provide proper drivers for the full hardware

        • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11·
          10 months ago

          By and large, probably… But I don’t think it’s true for everyone.

          As an iPad owner myself, I would love to ditch the OS! And I suppose alternative OSes would be pretty popular with the people jailbreaking their phones.

          I don’t want to impose alternative OSes on others. I would just like the option for me!

        • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
          5·
          10 months ago

          Not true. I’d love to be able to jailbreak again. I’m locked in to the ecosystem by work and a backlog of apps 15 years deep.

          Granted I’m on Lemmy so I guess I’m not a normal iOS user

        • Lmaydev@programming.devEnglish
          1112·
          10 months ago

          Yeah it’s literally a status symbol amongst kids.

          My kid is desperate for one but can’t give me a single compelling reason apart from they’re seen as cool.

          • KoalaUnknown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            201·
            10 months ago

            I like Apple products because they just work. I have tried Windows, Linux, & Android, but I ultimately decided on just using the Apple Ecosystem (except for my gaming computer) because the products just work well. Sure they cost more and are locked down but I am willing to sacrifice those things for things for the boost in productivity.

            Apple isn’t for everybody but their products have upsides.

            • r0bi@infosec.pubEnglish
              137·
              10 months ago

              They just work (usually) if you want to use their products the way they want you to use them.

              If you have your own idea how to do something on your own that’s any different, you will slowly go insane.

              • sugartits@lemmy.worldEnglish
                51·
                10 months ago

                They just work (usually) if you want to use their products the way they want you to use them.

                Well… Yeah? That’s the case for most products.

              • MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                43·
                10 months ago

                Why downvotes? They are both right, with an exception of MacBooks. Otherwise, you are limited by use cases predicted by the manufacturer, even if it “just works”.

                I use both iPhone and MacBook, with the latter mostly as a Unix that, again, “just works”, but I can even go as far as compile whole GNU userspace natively with Gentoo Prefix (one of many options).

                • snowe@programming.devEnglish
                  55·
                  10 months ago

                  Cuz it makes no sense. You wouldn’t complain that the iPhone doesn’t work as a skateboard because they don’t want you using it as a skateboard. It doesn’t work as a skateboard because it’s not a skateboard. All companies design products to be used the way the company wants you to use them. If op is talking about it being super locked down, that’s also incorrect. I can disable plenty of the security features on Mac and it continues to work just fine, compared to windows where if you disable UAC you literally cannot use your computer the same way and it will bug you constantly. It’s just a trope that isn’t really true at all.

                  • r0bi@infosec.pubEnglish
                    3·
                    10 months ago

                    Thinking I am referring to using a computer as not a computer is pretty ridiculous. A computer is a tool that in capable hands can do many things not originally expected by their creators.

                    I generally like macOS and agree that it isn’t locked down. I’ve used Apple computers since the Apple 2, but the first one I bought myself was an iBook G4 and later a Macbook Air. I haven’t kept close attention since MacOS X went beyond version 11 though.

                    Certainly not an all-inclusive list but some examples off the top of my head:

                    • Use industry standards like OpenGL/Vulkan instead of Metal
                    • run 32-bit apps if I so desire
                    • hiding config options like monitor DPI settings
                    • copy media to/from iPhone without iTunes or 3rd party apps
                    • extend the life of hardware by upgrading components
                    • reducing the life of hardware by soldering the components to the motherboard
                    • use another voice assistant or web browser engine in iOS
                    • virtualize their OS on non-Apple hardware
                    • run emulation or virtualization apps on iOS
                    • iMessage
                    • native backups on self hosted storage

                    Some of these have workarounds or 3rd party apps to handle. Others may not be a problem on all hardware models or is simply a EULA matter. Or Apple has a solution for it if you buy their product for it but if you want to use your existing hardware you’re SOL.

                    My concerns boil down to the choices Apple has made to keep you in their ecosystem and extract as much $$ as possible from their end users.

    • Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      10 months ago

      lol right

      Good luck getting any of the hardware to work properly without Apple’s help.

      • doctorcrimson@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        It’s actually not that hard once you have access. ARM Chips can be difficult to get into, but programming for them is not that hard. The peripherals and other segments might be married components but that should be fine as long as they don’t get swapped out at any point.