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    9 months ago

    allow me to remind you that judging a group by its absolute worst members is the basis of most prejudice

    the far right isn’t shooting anyone, it’s an ideology. you’re thinking of domestic terrorists. if you were to comment on the considerable overlap then that would be one thing, but I don’t think your implication goes that deep.

    since I know the chance of this being lost on people is high, my entire point of playing devils advocate is to express that dehumanizing your political opponents is cognitive bias

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      9 months ago

      The far-right, as an ideology, is violently upholding hierarchy. Violence is a part of the ideology.

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        9 months ago

        Members of the far left are also decidedly in favor of violence. Think about the cheering over slain police officers, countless facades of small businesses destroyed, etc.

        Again, I’m playing devil’s advocate. I’m firmly on the left. I just think the level of cognitive bias in politics is mind boggling.

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          9 months ago

          Yea, that’s not what’s happening. ACAB and police abolition are not about murdering police officers, it’s about restructuring these systems entirely.

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            9 months ago

            I have a pin that says “kill cops” in bold letters from one of the most prominent bookstores in my city. If you think there isn’t cheering happening, if you think directly calling for violence isn’t totally normalized on the far left, you are delusional.

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              9 months ago

              Do you think it’s a legitimate call to violence, or do you think it’s an expression of hatred towards cops? Are left wingers actually murdering cops in significant numbers, to the point where it’s “normalized,” or is this an emotional expression?

              Similarly, do you think murdering cops is a leftist stance, or just a violent one? What about murdering cops makes it leftist, in your eyes?

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                9 months ago

                You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth, like pretty much everything in your comment. I think you’re trying to paint my argument as something it really is not and you’re taking it too far. What is a legitimate call to violence, exactly? Are you trying to deny the stochastic effect of this type of language? Is the stochastic effect not the entire purpose of rhetoric?

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                  9 months ago

                  My point is that killing cops isn’t a leftist position. You’re trying to twist it into one. Simple.

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                    9 months ago

                    You are so painfully wrong. I’ve already stated that I’m playing devil’s advocate. I’m not trying to do anything other than help you exercise your critical thinking skills. It should be obvious.

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              9 months ago

              Adding violence to the mix doesn’t make it further left, it’s a difference in strategy and implementation. Centrists also love violence, may I remind you about Henry Kissinger?

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      9 months ago

      I think it might be beneficial to state causation isn’t correlation. Shooting up little kids and gay bars isnt the direct cause of being far right, but it is highly correlated to far right members that do.