• Zuberi 👀@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      7 months ago

      Anybody who genuinely believes this was Isis is beyond saving from the state departments’ silly narrative

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        7 months ago

        Because Isis have never committed any terrorist attacks before right?

        If you’re going to make that claim you need to provide some evidence

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          7 months ago

          And because Islamic extremists have never committed attacks in Russie based on Russias actions in Syria (directly engaging ISIS) and Russias friendly relations with the taliban, who in turn hate ISIS.

          So many examples, but blaming the Americans/Ukranian/Europeans/InsertAnyOtherParty is just another way the Russian trolls sow chaos in an attempt to make everyone doubt reality.

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            7 months ago

            The people that have done the deed where definitly ISIS. But there where many people involved behind the scenes and someone payed for it.

            ISIS usually ideologically subverts individuals.

            While Ukraine is involved in numerous killings, terrorism and uncountable sabotages inside Russia, (mostly) by either paying or convincing locals.

            (I doubt it was the US/ Europe. The CIA/ Europe would have no gain from this.)

            But there is no definitive proof (so far) of who actually orchestraded it, so it could be the usual suspect or the obvious one.

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              7 months ago

              You should stop eating soap, as apparently that is bad for your brain too.

              A country defending itself from an invader is not committing killings and terrorist, it is engaged in asymmetric warfare for as far as it is actually involved.

              Ascribing the work of partisans and anti putinists to Ukraine completely ignores the hellscapr Putin has created within Russia proper. There is plenty to be mad about at their own government for Russians.

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                  7 months ago

                  Are you referring to the blowing up of a right wing extremist pro war blogger, inside the cafe of the wagner boss? Attended by fans of the blogger and his work calling for the extermination of Ukranians?

                  Because a link to Ukraine is only available by accusation by the person who did it, after she was arrested and in the hands of the Russian government for some time.

                  And judging by how the Russian security services treat their captives, I can imagine they will say whatever they need to in order to make the hurting stop or be less.

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                    7 months ago

                    Nice that the SBU chief told in an interview on the 27th how the planning and execution of those murders was done. So there is your link.

                    Tho I do not share the views of the blogger. Innocent people that where not involved in any hostilities did get harmed.

                    Additionaly deliberate killing of noncombatants based on they’re race, views or political motivations, etc. using military funds is a warcrime.