• Monkey With A Shell@lemmy.socdojo.com
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    7 months ago

    It’s all just right wing propaganda, convince the population ‘Biden is bad, take your ball and go home’ and you suppress the vote. They can’t institute poll taxes or tests any more, and with vote by mail becoming commonplace they can’t rely on showing up at polling places with guns to suppress turnout.

    When more people vote the left wins, and that’s what the right are afraid of, thus the persistent drumbeat of ‘stay home if he’s not good enough’.

    • go_go_gadget@lemmy.worldOP
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      It’s crazy a comment like this gets so many upvotes when

      1. Thousands of registered democrats have voted “uncommitted” in primaries around the country. Most notably Michigan.
      2. People are clearly worried about Biden’s chances in 2024 despite his win in 2020. Which means somebody who voted for Biden in 2020 won’t in 2024.

      If you shut every one of these conversations down with baseless accusations that 20/20 hindsight is gonna be super awkward when someone asked “Who could have seen this coming??”

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        Concerned, yes, and made all the more so when there are a sizable number of people willing to throw a vote out to make a point because he’s not flawless and instead let the wolves in while they pretend that their hands are clean.

        • go_go_gadget@lemmy.worldOP
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          7 months ago

          he’s not flawless

          You mean he goes around congress to ship weapons to fuel a genocide. Speak plainly.

      • Fal@yiffit.net
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        Wtf does this have to do with anything about the comment you’re replying to?

        If you shut every one of these conversations down with baseless accusations that 20/20 hindsight is gonna be super awkward when someone asked “Who could have seen this coming??”

        There will be no questions about what happened in that case. It will be because of YOU and people like you posting this shit

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          It will be because of YOU and people like you posting this shit

          You’re telling me you believe voters need to cater to politicians? It’s Biden’s responsibility to represent the people he needs to get elected. His failure to do that is is own. What don’t you understand about democracy?

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      7 months ago

      biden isn’t on the left, so whether he wins or trump, the left does not win.

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    7 months ago

    That’s what I don’t understand.

    Biden is wildly unpopular for more reasons than he can fix before the election.

    If beating trump is all that matters, why the fuck are we running Joe Biden against him?

    The party learned nothing from Hillary. Or they’d rather have trump than someone who agrees with voters.

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      If beating trump is all that matters, why the fuck are we running Joe Biden against him?

      Okay.

      Name who is running for the Dem nomination who will perform better than Joe Biden.

      Go.

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        Running for the nomination is a good way to be exiled from the party.

        Not that Democrat primaries are very democratic. They just run 5 slightly less progressive candidates that all agree the popular progressive can’t win who all drop out at the 11th hour.

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        As if any party would ever primary their sitting president.

        Is it too late to still be wondering what a Bernie administration would have accomplished?

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        It’s not our job to come up with a solution to a problem created by moderate and liberal voters, the DNC, establishment Democrats and Joe Biden himself. We had solid people running in the 2020 primaries. The people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 are responsible for figuring a way out of this mess. Not us.

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          It’s not our job to come up with a solution to a problem

          Yeah, that’s about the response I expected.

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            Moderates and liberals are free to come up with a solution. They are the majority of the voters after all. What’s their solution?

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              Moderates and liberals are free to come up with a solution. They are the majority of the voters after all. What’s their solution?

              “Vote for Joe Biden considering that he’s the best actual candidate running”?

              I dunno man, maybe we just don’t think “Surrender to fascism because we want to teach the DNC A Lesson™ like we TOTALLY did in 2016, 2004, and 2000” is a viable option. Guess we’re just not left-wing enough to understand that making sure fascism wins is the REAL left-wing praxis. /s

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                “well if you can’t think of a solution, then ‘full speed towards the ravine’ is clearly the logical choice”

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                “Vote for Joe Biden considering that he’s the best actual candidate running”?

                i much prefer cornel west or jill stein

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                “Vote for Joe Biden considering that he’s the best actual candidate running”

                We did. In 2020. And then Biden proceeded to cater exclusively to moderate and liberals and left progressives and leftists out in the cold. In other words, the only solution moderates and liberals have put forward is “Give us everything, shut the fuck up and vote for who we tell you to.”

                Respectfully, we reject giving that “solution” a second try. What else have they got?

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                  We did. In 2020. And then Biden proceeded to cater exclusively to moderate and liberals and left progressives and leftists out in the cold.

                  Fucking lmao.

                  Respectfully, we reject giving that “solution” a second try.

                  Yeah, we get it, you crave fascism, you can stop shouting it from the rooftops.

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      If beating trump is all that matters, why the fuck are we running Joe Biden against him?

      Because Biden decided Trump is so awful he can still win.

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      “the party learned nothing from Hilary” I think they learned a few things, even if not as much as we’d like. They did turn down the power superdelegates have in primaries, for example. Moving in the right direction, even a little, is more than “nothing”.