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            It’s impossible to disable it (at least from the GUI). Even Ubuntu allows it. It’s a terrible change imo. Just add a toggle and make it checked by default

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              The current method is to set a boot parameter to opt out of non-free firmware, it’s documented in the installer manual.

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                  I bet they considered the options. It could simply be that no one has had time to change the installer. It could also be that the people who care about free software to the degree that they want to avoid non-free firmware usually figure out how to do it, and that too many options confuse new users. I don’t know. A feature request discussion in the appropriate mailing list could be a good idea if you want change.

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            Most newbies would have a hard time and most experienced people would grab the “unofficial” non-free image for installing just in case and then disable non-free if it wasn’t needed.

            I’ve not verified this, but does the installer actually install the non-free firmware if it’s not needed?

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              New users found it hard to download the right installer if they needed non-free firmware. Experienced users know they can add firmware=never in the installer to disable firmware lookup if they want. If they want to decide on a firmware by firmware basis, that’s an option too. If the hardware doesn’t need non-free firmware it’s not installed.

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              I know “Enshittification” is the Lemmy word of the year but you can’t just call everything you don’t like enshittification.

              This clearly isn’t it.

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                Well probably idk. It’s at least laziness of devs that decided not to add an opt-out toggle. But that’s already enshittification to some degree

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                  I get not being a fan but no toggle switch. But in this case it literally isn’t “enshittification”. Is it anti choice? Yes. Is it enshittification? No. Enshittification does not just mean “thing I don’t like”.

                  Here is a quote that describes what enshittification is:

                  Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a “two sided market”, where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.

                  More info can be found here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

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                    Well, there is actually. You just have to be knowledgable enough to use it. What I am unclear on is why so many die hard “no non-free firmware” advocates have hardware that requires non-free firmware.

                    I am assuming the problem is that people have hardware that will cause non-free firmware to be downloaded and installed against their wishes. Because, if they do not own such hardware, no non-free firmware will be installed and therefore I do not see a problem. Unless of course what bothers people is that others are able to easily install a working system. I would not want to accuse anybody of such bad behaviour.

                    Insisting on worse experiences on others to further your own politics is not politics I personally support.

                    You know what probably pisses other people off? Finally deciding to install Debian and then finding that it does not run on their hardware.