I don’t want to either, but I also don’t want to let the heritage foundation complete their decades long plan of solidifying control of the federal government. It’s already going to be an uphill battle for a very long time just getting rid of all the federal judges they’ve picked over the decades. Every election is about more than just the president, who gets to pick judges is insanely important.
Even if we got our perfect candidate, we’d still have a corpo house, and with this cycle a more than likely Republican Senate.
Our options are vote for Kamala and literally nothing changes because they won’t have full control so it will be 2 years of nothing but executive orders being shot down by SCOTUS or other conservative courts, vote for Trump and the federalist society gets what they want, or vote for neither and Trump wins and the federalist society gets what they want.
For anyone who wants actual progress the future is insanely bleak.
What I was referring to is progress via government. There is no reality where we get what we want for a very long time. If we blow this now by sitting it out we just extend that timeline exponentially.
I wish I had your optimism, but I don’t see anything to be hopeful for in that respect.
Well I’m old. EVERY election, regardless of who wins, the losing side has the exact same feelings as you are feeling right now. The world hasn’t ended. The world won’t end. I promise.
At the end of the day, regardless of who wins, I can go to a park and watch the trees, and birds and kids playing in the park. Here in suburbia, none of that stuff really changes. Sure, it’s important to vote your values, but the world isn’t gonna end anytime soon.
I guess that is the fundamental disagreement here. For some folks, like immigrants, they may not be able to go to the part and smell the flowers anymore - because they’ll be forced out:
Like what is there to waver?
Michigan is home to a large Muslim population, who may have an issue with US policy towards Gaza.
And to them I ask: Are you aware of the country you live in? My Jewish friends have hated US policy towards Palestine for over 25 years.
We don’t get to vote for something else. If you have a problem with that take it up with John Hagee.
Well, it seems like that there are plenty of people not wanting to vote for her or Trump. I’m one of them.
I don’t want to either, but I also don’t want to let the heritage foundation complete their decades long plan of solidifying control of the federal government. It’s already going to be an uphill battle for a very long time just getting rid of all the federal judges they’ve picked over the decades. Every election is about more than just the president, who gets to pick judges is insanely important.
Even if we got our perfect candidate, we’d still have a corpo house, and with this cycle a more than likely Republican Senate.
Our options are vote for Kamala and literally nothing changes because they won’t have full control so it will be 2 years of nothing but executive orders being shot down by SCOTUS or other conservative courts, vote for Trump and the federalist society gets what they want, or vote for neither and Trump wins and the federalist society gets what they want.
For anyone who wants actual progress the future is insanely bleak.
Meh, I don’t think things are bleak.
I’m not afraid of Harris. I’m not afraid of Trump.
I don’t like either one. I’m not voting for either one. But I don’t think the future is bleak at all.
What I was referring to is progress via government. There is no reality where we get what we want for a very long time. If we blow this now by sitting it out we just extend that timeline exponentially.
I wish I had your optimism, but I don’t see anything to be hopeful for in that respect.
Well I’m old. EVERY election, regardless of who wins, the losing side has the exact same feelings as you are feeling right now. The world hasn’t ended. The world won’t end. I promise.
At the end of the day, regardless of who wins, I can go to a park and watch the trees, and birds and kids playing in the park. Here in suburbia, none of that stuff really changes. Sure, it’s important to vote your values, but the world isn’t gonna end anytime soon.
You’re not a woman, are you. You still have the legal right to do what you want with your body.
I’ve heard it said some women are very angry about that.
I’ve mentioned it several times. Both me and my girlfriend share the same values and beliefs. Thank you.
You’re not allowed to have an abortion even if your life is threatened? And you don’t think voting either way will help you or any other women huh.
Ok.
I guess that is the fundamental disagreement here. For some folks, like immigrants, they may not be able to go to the part and smell the flowers anymore - because they’ll be forced out:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-mass-deportations-latino-voters-ec64f85e3633c9c7a8a247eaf9feb64f
Even becoming a citizen before the election may not keep you safe since remigration is being brought up
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/09/trump-remigration-far-right-europe-immigration/