• orrk@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Otzma Jehudit is part of the Israeli Government coalition, it consists mainly of internationally wanted terrorists. and you want to bat for these terrorists? the ones who have been preaching the 14 words as a justification for genocide?

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      2 months ago

      Assuming that’s true, that’s one group within the government. Find them, try them, and imprison them. On the other side are three entire genocidal terrorist regimes. Will you side with them? What do you think we should do with them?

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        2 months ago

        we don’t need to fucking find them, they are open, they give speeches about how starving and killing every Palestinian is a moral good on a daily basis. they ARE the government, who’s going to put them in front of a judge and find them guilty, themselves? you are literally supporting a genocidal terrorist regime.

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            2 months ago

            considering that all three of these regimes are not committing genocide at the moment, Iran not even interested in said genocide and the other two only existing because they are a resistance movement against Israel. yes, I think you can make a very compelling case that said one genocidal terrorist regime is worse than the others.

            Hezbollah was relatively quiet before the war kicked off, Hamas was supported by the Israeli state under Netanyahu to act as a spoiler towards the PAs attempt at a diplomatic 2-state solution, and Israel has been in power for the past 70 years. Hamas and Hezbollah literally only exist because Israel is an expansionist apartheid state.

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              If Iran isn’t interested in the genocide, why do they fund and arm Hamas and Hezbollah? And Israel supported Hamas as an opposition to the PLO, which was a major terrorist organization at the time. Do you think they intentionally created Hamas as an excuse to get their own people bombed?

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                2 months ago

                Israel supported Hamas as an opposition to the PLO the PLO didn’t fucking exist anymore when Hamas being supported by the Israeli government, Hamas started out as a humanitarian aid group affiliated with the Muslim brotherhood and radicalized before the second intifada, they were supported to undermine the PA who had been created as part of the Oslo Accords (that Israel then ignored), the most prominent example f this being when the IDF conducted air strikes against Fatah (the actual PA government) during the Hamas - Fatah civil war.

                Yes the Israeli government helped create Hamas to undermine any attempt at negotiation towards a two-state solution, and a few dead Jews are no biggie, in fact they died as martyrs to justify genocide, you know eggs and omelets, this isn’t out of the ordinary behavior for genocidal regimes.

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                  2 months ago

                  First off, you haven’t answered my question about why Iran is funding Hamas and Hezbollah if they don’t want genocide. Second, the PLO still exists. Supporting Hamas was a massive failure, but they didn’t do it to kill their own people.

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                    2 months ago

                    First off, you haven’t answered my question about why Iran is funding Hamas and Hezbollah if they don’t want genocide.

                    the same reason why the US funded Alquaeda.

                    secondly, that “PLO” is inconsequential and doesn’t have any actual connection to the original PLO.

                    and lastly, you assume that extremists like the current Israeli government care about people’s lives, and i very clearly stated that Israel supported Hamas to delegitimize the PA and avoid a two-state solution, and you don’t have to take my word for it, the fucking Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said this.