As always, disclaimer that I’m not a US citizen.
You usually see quite a few people mentioning leaving the country if Trump would get elected, but how realistic are those plans?
Not to say it’s not justified with the prospect of Project 2025 (see the other thread), but seems like a huge life change that is probably not possible for most of the people.
I don’t know where I’d go. Regardless of this particular election, I’d love to live elsewhere, but I’m only fluent in English. Not to mention, there seems to be rising fascism all over the place.
Find me a mid level cybersecurity job in an EU member state and I’ll be right over.
I’m lucky enough to be a white, cis male, but I am bisexual. I’m extremely lucky to live in a very liberal area, but I’m afraid that won’t mean much for long. I fear for myself, my family, and my little sisters especially. And I fear that there’s nowhere to run to because US hegemony shapes the world.
I’ve been proudly out for 10 years now, but half of my family assumes I’m straight because they’re the type of people who assume everyone is straight until proven otherwise. The majority of them likely voted for Trump.
I finished renewing my passport just in case but have no plans at the moment. Not sure where I’d go. But now that it’s over, I’m leaning towards staying here and fighting. Fuck them. We shouldn’t make it easy or comfortable for them to oppress the people here who can’t leave.
Having a passport and some friends overseas is a good idea. Maybe even an employment plan or otherwise a stable landing place if it gets very bad.
I agree about staying to fight. But trapping yourself into a battle with no way to retreat, when you know it might get bad, isn’t good strategy.
This might ultimately get solved with EU boots on American soil.
Someone free us! Lol
I am considering leaving, but it pains me to just “run away” from a problem instead of trying to solve it. this is where I live. I want to love it.
no one wants Americans in their country, and I don’t blame them. Sadly, most of us can’t afford to leave. I have a pretty good tech job but even that isn’t enough to move my entire family. Grab some marshmallows and let it burn I guess.
I’m one-hundred percent considering this. I spent the four years under Trump on the ground, organizing my community and resisting fascist chuds on the ground, and got mostly flack, backlash, doxxing attempts, 30 extra lbs I can’t seem to shake, and bullshit from shitlib’s who just spent the previous 6 months making the argument “but Trump worse” and cheering on the Chenys.
There are basically two options I see for me and my family right now. We can either stand and fight or we can let this go. My lesson learned from 2016-2020, is that Democrats/ Liberals do not have your back. You can not expect to be able to rely upon them to show up or do the right thing. Democrats have spent orders of magnitude more effort fighting and trying to beat the left than they have the rightward march to fascism. So any kind of fight or resistance you try and muster; you have enemies at both your fore and aft. Liberalism and Democrats haven’t shown me that they are worth fighting for.
I may not have a choice. My wife is an immigrant. She’s fully legal. If Trump carries out his plan to deport all immigrants she’s going someplace (yet unknown) and I’ll follow. What a nightmare.
I wonder if they’ll send a letter asking your wife to please leave, or if you’ll come home one day and she’ll just be gone.
This is my biggest fear
Like as in “made to become disappeared”? This turned dark pretty fast.
As in a group of Jack booted thugs come along , load you into a van without warning, without cell phone or anything. Then they drop you off wherever they think your country is with no resources.
Alas, that turned out to be just as dark as I thought it would be.
If you want to really know feasible this is, go read about how Stephen Miller (architect of the Muslim ban) wants to use red state national guardsmen to go to blue states and sanctuary cities to kidnap and deport immigrants.
Hint: It’s bad.
I was wrong. It was actually much darker than I thought possible.
For posterity, here are a couple of links that talk about this in depth,
https://forward.com/opinion/668440/miller-trump-madison-square-garden-immigrants/
I wouldn’t wait, if it was me. Maybe not pull the trigger now, but definitely have some plans in place. I’m feeling a little bit nervous that I’m just starting to look at my options now.
The Trump Presidency is bad enough, but the American system could survive another one like it survived the last, through Congressional and judicial power and the fundamental checks and balances.
Republicans have won the House, the Senate, and the SC. The Supreme Court already handed the Presidency dictatorial power.
The Experiment is over. If you’re not planning to get out you need to be planning to fight, and not with a fucking protest sign.
got a friend with a trans son looking for an out of country transfer under their job. I hope she can get it and keep the kid even a tiny bit safer.
leaving is a privilage though that almost none of us will be able to afford. even if you pull it off, thats a huge risk to take unless you can afford to just not give a shit. and in that case you’re probably fine with the election outcome anyway.
A couple of the more privileged (wealthy) friends with my disability are planning on moving, most others cannot afford it or don’t have the financial capital to be accepted for a residency permit anywhere (our illness prevents us from working).
You need loads of money, great connections, and/or a really high level of some really particular skill. It’s out of reach for most people.
We have a family member who is special needs, and their family relies on government help to get by…
They may have to leave, and it breaks my heart.
Does anyone know what project 2025 says about special needs folks? My brother is special needs
I’m not even allowed to leave the state for another few years
How come? And would you leave once you’re able to?
I’m on papers for some stuff I did about 10 years back. I have another 3 to go.
I absolutely would. I’ve always wanted to at the very least so exploring and never imagined staying here, but my wife wouldn’t even leave the state since all her family lives here. So that dream is pretty much dead.
Plus I imagine getting accepted anywhere would be pretty challenging with a criminal record.
Wife would be the biggest factor in all this I think, so yeah.
That said (noting for posterity), you’re right - it is pretty challenging to emigrate with a criminal record. But it’s not impossible. See for example https://www.cicnews.com/2023/12/three-ways-to-overcome-a-cannabis-conviction-before-coming-to-canada-1240675.html#gs.i5eu5j
If you got the 13 years due to possession of cannabis in the US for example - that’s not a crime in Canada, so you’d have to disclose it but it wouldn’t pose an issue in moving (assuming you otherwise were eligible and passed all the bars in getting here).
For things which are also crimes in Canada, sometimes you can apply for criminal rehabiliation - so in your case, eight years from now, you’d be eligible to apply for that (five years of good behaviour and no crimes after your sentence/probation/restriction ends).
Many people will quickly discover that unless you are upper class, got some money type… nobody wants you and really there is no where to go either lol
