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There are over 100 sick prisoners here with me, all of them from Gaza. Some have chronic diseases, some have been injured under torture, and all of them scream from the pain, as there is no treatment.
One day after your visit, a group of soldiers came with dogs, they came to where we were. They selected prisoners at random from every age group … children, young men, old men. They made them lie on the ground, face down, their hands tied behind their heads.
Then they set the dogs on them again, and then one of the soldiers tried to get one of the dogs to rape one of the prisoners! They teach their dogs to have sex with prisoners! Can you imagine?
They made the dogs attack them, tearing at the skin and flesh of the prisoners […], then they stood them up and put them in a corner where there was a big “iron window”. They put [the prisoners’] hands on the window, then began beating them on their backs, their buttocks, and their legs from behind.
They attacked another prisoner called “J.M.” in the same way - they beat him and abused him, and brought in dogs to rape him. They stripped him naked and put the dogs on top of him, they were ripping at his flesh, then a soldier came carrying an “electrical baton”, which emitted high-voltage electric shocks, and they started beating the prisoner on his genitals.
The fact that people are downvoting you for scrutinizing this obviously shitty and biased source shows that they aren’t interested in the truth.
Let’s all take side in a dumb fucking holy war that has nothing to do with us? Fuck that, give Israel and Palestine back to the Turks for all I care.
This is about Zionism and Settler Colonialism.
Partition
Ethnic Cleansing and Settler Colonialism
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
Apartheid Evidence
Amnesty Report
Human Rights Watch Report
B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
Cool propaganda copy pasta, dude. How much does it pay to post that?
Real talk: neither Israel nor Palestine existed as nations 100 years ago, and the Levant has been under control of like a dozen or more factions and empires over the last 2000 years. Arab Muslims only exist in Gaza today because of the violent conquest of the Rashidun Caliphate ~650AD and the genocide and cultural erasure of those who lived their before.
Modern day Palestinians were handed a country by the League of Nations and the keep losing territory by fighting wars against the Israelis that they aren’t capable of winning. I fully expect that Israel will further shrink their territory as a result of the latest chapter of their decades long conflict, so maybe they should writing checks that their asses can’t cash.
Hate to break it to you but it’s Israel who pays for disinformation campaigns to dehumanize Palestinians and erased their history and connections to the land. See the first three books linked in the last section of you want to learn the history of the region. Palestinians have been a people for thousands of years.
You’re a fool if you think that propaganda ans disinformation only exist on one side of this conflict, or any conflict for that matter.
Regardless, I’m instantly suspicious of any person online whose initial response in a comment is an obviously copy-pasted wall of cherry-picked information which paints one side as the forever victim and the other as a infinite aggressor. And then your next response is to quote that same shit to me again? That only makes you look less like a person discussing the matter in good faith. Is that wrong?
If we’re going to talk about the modern English name “Palestine”, maybe we should reflect on the fact that it comes from Hebrew:
Peleset was indeed more or less the region that we think of today as “The Gaza Strip”, and was most certainly not a contiguous or well-defined region spanning “the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River”. Regardless of what your propaganda says, there is no evidence at any point in history of a single “Palestinian” nation “from the river to the sea”. That’s a fabrication, in my opinion. But maybe you have a legitimate historical source?
Further, the Philistines (the original tribal people from Peleset) had very little in common with today’s Palestinians–whose culture is derived almost entirely from an Arab Muslim tradition forced upon them during the genocidal conquest of the Islamic Rashidun Caliphate ~650AD.
Today’s nations of Israel and Palestine are mere creations of the British and the League of Nations after the fall of the Ottoman Empire post-World War I. Throughout recorded history the Levant has been under the control of various empires and factions (the Ottomans, the Islamic Caliphate, The Byzantines, the Romans, the Persians, the Greeks, the Egyptians, and so on). Today’s Israelis and Palestinians both have legitimate historical claims over land in the region dating back hundreds, if not thousands, of years (much like Native Americans have a legitimate historical claim of America’s lands dating back thousands of years or more), but that means very little in the context of modern geopolitics and the people who lived in the Levant in the Brozne Age has very little resemblance or cultural similarity to those who live there now, obviously.
Maybe that’s a tough pill for people here to swallow, but I don’t care about that because it’s simply the truth.
One side is the Colonizer one is the Colonized. Of course there is anti-colonialist violence, that’s most of what People have heard about. Except without the context of the history of ethnic cleansing and Apartheid.
Yes, the first book referenced in my last section by Nur Masalha. The 8th chapter in particular. The first chapter starts with the history of the Philistines and the subsequent history of the people and region. You may find it interesting
Nothing about what I’ve posted has claimed that Israelis Don’t have a right to exist. My point is that they don’t have a right to ethnically cleanse the native population and that the solution is a Bi-National One State Solution with equal rights for all.