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  • vinnymac@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Why does the article make it sound like cooling a data center results in constant water loss? Is this not a closed loop system?

    I’m imagining a giant reservoir heat sink that runs throughout a complex to pull heat out of the surrounding environment where some liquid evaporates and needs to be replenished. But first of all we have more efficient liquid coolants, and second that would be a very lazy solution.

    I wonder if they’ve considered geothermal for new data centers. You can run a geothermal loop in reverse and use the earth as a giant heat sink. It’s not water in the loop, it’s refrigerant, and it only needs to be replaced when you find the efficiency dropping, which can take decades.

    • Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz
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      6 hours ago

      Evaporative coolers save a ton of energy compared to refrigerator cycle closed loop systems. Like a swamp cooler, the hot liquid that comes from cooling the server is exposed to the atmosphere and enough evaporates off to cool the liquid by a decent percentage, then it’s refrigerated before going back into the servers.

      Data centre near me is using it and the fire service is used to be being called by people concerned the huge clouds of water vapor are smoke

    • someguy3@lemmy.world
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      6 hours ago

      You can run a geothermal loop in reverse and use the earth as a giant heat sink.

      You need something to move the heat away, like water or air. Having something solid that just absorbs will reach its heat capacity pretty quick.

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        44 minutes ago

        I don’t know, but given that ground-source heat pumps are one of the most efficient ways to heat a building, and this suggestion is just exactly that in reverse (pumping the heat into the ground instead of out of it), I’d imagine that it will not just “reach its heat capacity”. The heat would flow away just as it flows to a heat pump. If the entire earth reaches its heat capacity I think we’d have problems.

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          Deep Geothermal goes deeeeeepppp to where there is a heat source that is replenished.

          Shallow geothermal pulls heat where there is no replenishment, and you have to run it in reverse (use it as an AC in the summer) to swap out the heat. You can’t only pull heat out for shallow geothermal. You may be able to for a time, but also remember that heating for a house is pretty small overall.

          It’s not the entire earth that is the heat sink, it’s a relatively short distance from the pipe. We don’t get the massive heat from the molten core at the surface.

    • JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      9 hours ago

      It highly depends on every data center, but it is very likely that they do use municipal water for cooling. Mainting a Reservoir is extremely expensive for the amount of thermal mass it requires, these things kick off HEAT.

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        4 hours ago

        I don’t know why they aren’t using reclaimed water from treatment plants. I don’t see why potable water is necessary as long as the substitute isn’t corrosive, but I might be missing something here.

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          2 hours ago

          You’d have to get the gray water in, and it’s more efficient to just continue treating it and using the municipal water system.

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      10 hours ago

      Yes, the vast majority are closed loop systems and the water isn’t really used up, like a lot of these headlines imply.

      That’s not to say the energy being used can’t be put to better uses, though.

        • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
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          9 hours ago

          The math on this doesn’t really check out. The USA uses 322 billion gallons of fresh water per day. A hyperscale datacenter uses only 5 million gallons per day.

          There are about 1,000 hyperscale datacenters in the USA, so that comes out to 5 billion gallons of water every day.

          That’s 1.5% of our annual freshwater usage, half of which is in closed loop systems and not going anywhere, and the other half being returned to the atmosphere where it will rain back down as fresh water again.

          And of course, the water cycle doesn’t really care about national borders or annual evaporation rates so much, and there is about 1 quintillion gallons of liquid fresh water available worldwide, so its not like sequestering 5 million gallons really offsets the available freshwater needed for hydration and agriculture.