I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.

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        Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders’ World Press Freedom index. I’m not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn’t seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like “tankie” (a word with parallels to terms like “pinko” and “judeo Bolshevik”).

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          Even the US has protected classes even if the list is woefully short.

          I doubt tankies are a protected class in nordic states since they are like nazis and other groups that fetishize violent oppression. Tankie doesn’t parallel with pinko becsuse one is about violent oppression and the other is about the left side of the political spectrum.

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          In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.

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            Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.

            What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?

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              Thank you, that’s true but doesn’t catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn’t need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.

              I’ve been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.

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        Or more subtly:

        I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?

        It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.

        Je suis en retard
        Becomes
        Je suis en removed

        Edit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:

        Edit2: lmao

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          I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.

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          oh no I’m not allowed to use a slur even though I’m using it in a common phrase that originates as the slur being used as a slur

          I’m supposed to get away with doing things

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              You said two stupid things but only one of them was fun to make a joke out of.

              Your french shit is equally stupid. “But it’s not a slur in a language we aren’t speaking right now so I should get to say it!!!”

              How about you just stop having a piss fit you spoiled little fuck? Not once in your ‘analysis’ are you bothering to do the literally only valuable piece of thought work: actually measuring the cost/benefit of having a strong deterrence to bigotry vs “I can think of a word that has a slur as part of it but can still be easily understood by people reading it through context clues”

              When a piece of shit only weighs the cost of doing things to protect vulnerable minorities and not the benefit to those people, it’s pretty fucking easy to suss out their beliefs on the issue in general.

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                  I’m not upset even though this entire conversation is about me having a fit about not being allowed to say slurs

                  You are upset because you’re making fun of me for it and explaining why it’s bad

                  I am a nazi from 4chan

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                And here we have a proof of the mindset of the typical neolib whitewing yank. Everybody should speak english, everybody should submit to his perception of what can be said or not, otherwise it’s haram. I’m sure the american retards benefits a lot for your little censorship craps but what about the rest of us? the thin is the idea of non-americans life having value is deeply weird to you people.

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                  I appreciate the audacity with which you’re trying to turn wanting to say slurs into an emancipatory left wing position

                  Isn’t there a video game studio that needs death threats sent to them that you’re neglecting though?

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                You realize my point was when speaking French I should be able to use it as it’s a different word that’s just spelled the same as the English slur.

                That was the whole point in making my test comment it’s own reply.

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                Imagine being such a piece of shit “not saying slurs” triggers you to the point of taking screenshots to argue it’s a bad take

                truly living up to the ‘gamer man’ username.

                The only people who have a problem with .ml are objectively garbage people. What a thread.

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          What do the call a fallacy where you find an imaginary fallacy in someone else’s argument to sound smarter?

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            Is it a fallacy? I frequently run into self-styled anarchists who describe other self-styled anarchists as “not real anarchists”.

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              .ml people don’t even describe themselves as anarchists, from what I’ve seen. And those that do, often hide behind that label in bad faith

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                  Ah, here are the aforementioned .ml people. I wonder, do you specifically search out mentions of you in other instances to engage in conversations with people who don’t like you?

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                    I think they generally try to keep themselves in their echo chambers, but as they’re federated, can’t sometimes help themselves and have to input some would-be-snarky comment they think is ever-so-clever. Then they get ratio’d hard, they get their bot-armies to vote on when they’re off instance (if you look you’ll see quite a lot of the time there might be a lot of downvotes for opinions against them, but always at most one or two more than how many upvotes it has. it means for mobile users the comment looks less reactive than it is).

                    Then their egos get hurt because we bitch slap reality in their faces and they go crying back to whatever grad they crawled out from.

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                  Nation-states and anarchism don’t technically clash insofar that you could have a nation that’s ruled by anarchy.

                  Just like you Russians are ruled by autocracy. (That’s a pro-Russian account.)

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                    Baby brain never cracked a book in his life but everyone stop what you’re doing he’s going to explain ideologies to you but not before he outs a secret jew for speaking out against the fatherland

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            If “they dont even pretend to be anarchists”, then why would the comment

            They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit

            be necessary in the first place?

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                The comment above demonstrates that non-ml members perceive ml members as claiming anarchy among their values. If that impression exists, there must be a reason for it - which is that ml members do in fact claim to be anarchists.

                Therefore, in the context of this thread, it is valid to point out the existence of self-styled anarchists claiming that other self-styled anarchists are “not real anarchists”. The existence of this thread demonstrates the truth of the statement, regardless of whether you personally like the conclusion or not.

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                  The comment above demonstrates that non-ml members perceive ml members as claiming anarchy among their values. If that impression exists, there must be a reason for it - which is that ml members do in fact claim to be anarchists.

                  Please don’t try to make a logical argument when you can’t get this right. The comment above only demonstrates that at least one non-.ml user perceives .ml users as being self-proclaimed anarchists. There must be a reason for that, and that reason does not have to be that .ml users are self-proclaimed anarchists. It could be that this commenter is simply misinterpreting the views of .ml users.

                  You didn’t even get the fallacy right. Rockerface didn’t modify their statement at all. All they said was that the users of .ml instances aren’t anarchists. You never provided any examples of anarchist .ml users, and they never modified their initial claim to protect it from a falsifying example.

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      I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.

      • My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”

        They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.

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          You didn’t choose a random word. It’s obvious why you chose that specific word in reference to gaming hardware. And we know the racist roots of the term.

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      don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words

      What were the normal words that people found so offensive?